[memcom] Re: New Members

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Bruce, Liz and All:

I certainly have no problem with the suggestion. I became a member without passing a boating course. It so happens that in 1983 USPS in New Jersey was not permitted to offer the boating course because of the litigation involving the court case brought on by a woman who had passed the boating course and requested membership in USPS. At that time membership was restricted to men only. 

As it turns out, I was interested in increasing my boating knowledge and enrolled in the Seamanship Course within the first year of my membership. I became very interested in the organization and went on to be Squadron Commander, District Commander and Rear Commander.

I offer this information as a positive example of accepting a new member without the individual passing a boating course.

Frank McHugh

-------------- Original message from "Liz Glassell" <glassell@sbcglobal.net>: -------------- 

Bruce,
I think this is certainly worth discussion.
Liz
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Subject: [memcom] Re: New Members

In a message dated 1/21/2005 11:20:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, Petepeterson48 writes:
Thank you for the information and following up with me. I have passed this information to our executive board. However, I still think that by requiring the test first, prior to joining the squadron, is putting the cart before the horse. We need to make the class available to the public and we are doing this. But, Only a small percentage of the people taking the boat smart class are joining the squadron. I would not have any problem telling a member that they need to pass the test within 12 months or forfeit their membership. The way it is currently set up it seems kind of elitist and turns some people off. I think that if they get to know us and why we think these classes are so important they would not have any trouble meeting the requirement to pass the test within 12 months of joining. Meanwhile, they have become members and that membership becomes important to them.

I will try to get our board to bring copies of the test and the boat smart manual to the general membership meetings and arranging to offer the test perhaps after the general membership meeting if the student does not need to go through the class. I think that will help, but I hope that you will think about how my suggestion will work rather than what the down side is to it. It seems that we need to continue to look for ways to streamline the process to appeal to a broader group of people. I joined 20 years ago to learn how to navigate and somewhere along the line I decided that I liked to be around people who boat safely and want to further their boating education. I was transferred to Kentucky from Atlanta, GA and was out of boating for several years and then when I got back into boating I had trouble even finding a local squadron. 

Sincerely,

Pete Peterson
OK committee, is it time we, membership committee, recommend what Pete suggests? 

Let folks join without passing an exam, but, requiring they pass an approved exam within 1 year or other time frame. "Seamanship" would be My preferred approved exam.

I need, require your input, please.

Remember, USPS is made up of many differenet types of boating areas. Coastal, inland rivers and lakes, and oceans. 

My opinion, a member of USPS is a better boater or potential than those not a member. Let's get them in and then help them train to become an improved, confident skipper.

Bruce Troth, AP
USPS, ChMemCom
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<P>Bruce, Liz and All:</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>I certainly have no problem with the suggestion. I became a member without passing a boating course. It so happens that in 1983 USPS in New Jersey was not permitted to offer the boating course because of the litigation involving the court case brought on by a woman who had passed the boating course and requested membership in USPS. At that time membership was restricted to men only. </P>
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<P>As it turns out, I was interested in increasing my boating knowledge and enrolled in the Seamanship Course within the first year of my membership. I became very interested in the organization and went on to be Squadron Commander, District Commander and Rear Commander.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>I offer this information as a positive example of accepting a new member without the individual passing a boating course.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Frank McHugh<BR></P>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Bruce,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I think this is certainly worth discussion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Liz</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=memcom@usps.org href="mailto:memcom@usps.org">memcom@usps.org</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:06 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [memcom] Re: New Members</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 1/21/2005 11:20:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, Petepeterson48 writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Thank you for the information and following up with me. I have passed this information to our executive board. However, I still think that by requiring the test first, prior to joining the squadron, is putting the cart before the horse. We&nbsp;need to make the class available to the public and we are doing this. But, Only a small percentage of the people taking the boat smart class are joining the squadron. I would not have any problem telling a member that they need to&nbsp;pass the&nbsp;test within 12 months or forfeit their membership. The way it is currently set up it seems kind of elitist and turns some people off. I think that if they get to know us and why we think these classes are so important they would not have any trouble meeting the requirement to pass the test within 12 months of joining. Meanwhile, they have become members and that membership becomes important to them.</DIV>
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<DIV>I will try to get our board to bring copies of the test and the boat smart manual to the general membership meetings and arranging to offer the test perhaps after the general membership meeting if the student does not need to go through the class. I think that will help, but I hope that you will think about how my suggestion will work rather than what the down side is to it. It seems that we need to continue to look for ways to streamline the process to appeal to a broader group of people. I joined 20 years ago to learn how to navigate and somewhere along the line I decided that I liked to be around people who boat safely and want to further their boating education. I was transferred to Kentucky from Atlanta, GA and was out of boating for several years and then when I got back into boating I had trouble even finding a local squadron. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sincerely,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Pete Peterson</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>OK committee, is it time we, membership committee, recommend what Pete suggests? </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Let folks join without passing an exam, but, requiring they pass an approved exam within 1 year or other time frame. "Seamanship" would be My preferred approved exam.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I need, require your input, please.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Remember, USPS is made up of many differenet types of boating areas. Coastal, inland rivers and lakes, and oceans. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>My opinion, a member of USPS is a better boater or potential than those not a member. Let's get them in and then help them train to become an improved, confident skipper.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12"><B><I>Bruce Troth, AP</B></I><BR><B><I>USPS, ChMemCom</B></I></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>

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