[Psml] PSML Digest, Vol 19, Issue 3
rdaybell at earthlink.net
rdaybell at earthlink.net
Sun Mar 9 01:54:11 EST 2008
You are all confirming my point. The forms need to be revamped so they are user friendly instead of being unsaveable without going through some special programs. Give us forms we can fill in and then save on our computers without any furthur efforts. Many of us have limited computer skils let alone time to mess around with outside programs. For starters any of the items suggested so far on this blog need to be incorporated on the national website in simplified form for our use.
Why should we have to print copies of the filled in forms on paper when we are now required to only report in paperless form to national? Whats fair the gander (national) is fair for the goose ( we users).
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> 1. Re: Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping (Robert Miller)
> 2. Re: Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping (Dave Donkers)
> 3. Re: Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping (Dave Donkers)
> 4. Re: Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping (Frank Kemp)
> 5. Re: Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping (WMMILLER at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping (Lu Abel)
> 7. Re: Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping (Dan Bartell)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:35:04 -0800
>From: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>To: "'Dan Bartell'" <dtb at usps.org>
>Cc: 'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List' <psml at usps.org>
>Message-ID: <006901c88153$82901b10$6500a8c0 at epoxkitchen>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>What was I thinking? In my first response I should have mentioned that there
>are free PDF creators that ?print? to a PDF file. Some are true freeware but
>quite a few are only free trials so read all the fine print first. Search on
>?Free PDF Converter? with Google, Live Search, Yahoo, Lycos or whatever you
>use and you will find a bunch of alternatives.
>
>Sorry I forgot that in the first place.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Bob
>________________________________________
>From: psml-bounces at usps.org [mailto:psml-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Dan
>Bartell
>Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:03 AM
>To: boatsafe at comcast.net
>Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>
>Actually if you have full Acrobat you can turn a PDF document into a form
>with fields and actions upon submission.? Tom Brincka has done that with the
>Educational Department order forms which go to cgi scripts running on the
>server and it works quite well.? You can partially fill out the forms and
>save them as templates on your own machine.? However it takes full Acrobat
>which is a bit pricey.
>Cheers,
>Dan
>At 09:28 3/8/2008, Barclay M. Thomas wrote:
>Dan, R.D., and all,
>Not that I am an expert but, while Rich Text Format (RTF) is easily read and
>written by most word processing programs, any document formatting is often
>lost or skewed in the transition. Portable Document Format (PDF) is designed
>by default to retain all formatting of the original document no matter what
>platform or program it is viewed in.
>Yes, it may take another step or two to save a file in PDF, but it makes for
>a better archive since all the data will remain in the right place. You can
>always save the PDF as a text (.txt) file if you want to alter it.
>
>I have not paid too much attention to what is out there in terms of PDF
>creation/conversion programs, but there are a lot and many are not too
>expensive or are free. Of course you get what you pay for. I do know there
>are some open-source programs that are quite capable though. Take a look at
><http://sourceforge.net>, but don't get overwhelmed by all the projects
>(grin).
>
>That being said, it would be nice if the forms on the National website had
>all the data input spaces (i.e.: quantity, price, etc.) created as text
>fields so a blank original can be downloaded and save as a template, then
>filled out as needed. Of course I am only looking for someone else to do the
>work so I don't have to. But once it's done, it's done.
>
>Enjoy the weekend,
>--
>P/C Barclay M. Thomas, AP
>Saybrook Power Squadron, D-1
>
>
>________________________________________
>Need to subscribe, unsubscribe or change your email address?? See
>www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/psml for details.
>
>_______________________________________________
>P/C Dan Bartell, SN?
>SEO - Shallotte River Sail & Power Squadron - D27 (NC)
>Member USPS National Information Technology Committee?
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:57:30 -0600
>From: Dave Donkers <d.donkers at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>To: "'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List'" <psml at usps.org>
>Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List <psml at usps.org>
>Message-ID: <47D2EFAA.8040800 at comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>All --
>
>Sign up with TechSoup & get the full current Adobe Acrobat
>Pro Version 8 (the current version). This has a MSRP of
>$450. TechSoup price - $45. 'Nuff said. 8^)
>
>Dave Donkers DuPage
>
>Dan Bartell wrote:
>> Actually if you have full Acrobat you can turn a PDF document into a
>> form with fields and actions upon submission. Tom Brinka has done that
>> with the Educational Department order forms which go to cgi scripts
>> running on the server and it works quite well. You can partially fill
>> out the forms and save them as templates on your own machine. However
>> it takes full Acrobat which is a bit pricey.
>> Cheers,
>> Dan
>> At 09:28 3/8/2008, Barclay M. Thomas wrote:
>>> Dan, R.D., and all,
>>> Not that I am an expert but, while Rich Text Format (RTF) is easily
>>> read and written by most word processing programs, any document
>>> formatting is often lost or skewed in the transition. Portable
>>> Document Format (PDF) is designed by default to retain all formatting
>>> of the original document no matter what platform or program it is
>>> viewed in.
>>> Yes, it may take another step or two to save a file in PDF, but it
>>> makes for a better archive since all the data will remain in the right
>>> place. You can always save the PDF as a text (.txt) file if you want
>>> to alter it.
>>>
>>> I have not paid too much attention to what is out there in terms of
>>> PDF creation/conversion programs, but there are a lot and many are not
>>> too expensive or are free. Of course you get what you pay for. I do
>>> know there are some open-source programs that are quite capable
>>> though. Take a look at <http://sourceforge.net>, but don't get
>>> overwhelmed by all the projects (grin).
>>>
>>> That being said, it would be nice if the forms on the National website
>>> had all the data input spaces (i.e.: quantity, price, etc.) created as
>>> text fields so a blank original can be downloaded and save as a
>>> template, then filled out as needed. Of course I am only looking for
>>> someone else to do the work so I don't have to. But once it's done,
>>> it's done.
>>>
>>> Enjoy the weekend,
>>> --
>>> P/C Barclay M. Thomas, AP
>>> Saybrook Power Squadron, D-1
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe or change your email address? See
>>> www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/psml
>>> <http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/psml> for details.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> P/C Dan Bartell, SN
>> SEO - Shallotte River Sail & Power Squadron - D27 (NC)
>> Member USPS National Information Technology Committee
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe or change your email address? See www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/psml for details.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:03:38 -0600
>From: Dave Donkers <d.donkers at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>To: "'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List'" <psml at usps.org>
>Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List <psml at usps.org>
>Message-ID: <47D2F11A.4060501 at comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>OOPS!!!
>
>Forgot to mention that DuPage is registered
>with TechSoup as:
>
>Organization Type:
> Inner City Or Community Activities
>Organization Sub-Type:
> Community service organization
>
>and we have no problem ordering MS or Adobe
>products.
>
>Dave Donkers
>
>All --
>
>Sign up with TechSoup & get the full current Adobe Acrobat
>Pro Version 8 (the current version). This has a MSRP of
>$450. TechSoup price - $45. 'Nuff said. 8^)
>
>Dave Donkers DuPage
>
>Dan Bartell wrote:
>> Actually if you have full Acrobat you can turn a PDF document into a
>> form with fields and actions upon submission. Tom Brinka has done that
>> with the Educational Department order forms which go to cgi scripts
>> running on the server and it works quite well. You can partially fill
>> out the forms and save them as templates on your own machine. However
>> it takes full Acrobat which is a bit pricey.
>> Cheers,
>> Dan
>> At 09:28 3/8/2008, Barclay M. Thomas wrote:
>>> Dan, R.D., and all,
>>> Not that I am an expert but, while Rich Text Format (RTF) is easily
>>> read and written by most word processing programs, any document
>>> formatting is often lost or skewed in the transition. Portable
>>> Document Format (PDF) is designed by default to retain all formatting
>>> of the original document no matter what platform or program it is
>>> viewed in.
>>> Yes, it may take another step or two to save a file in PDF, but it
>>> makes for a better archive since all the data will remain in the right
>>> place. You can always save the PDF as a text (.txt) file if you want
>>> to alter it.
>>>
>>> I have not paid too much attention to what is out there in terms of
>>> PDF creation/conversion programs, but there are a lot and many are not
>>> too expensive or are free. Of course you get what you pay for. I do
>>> know there are some open-source programs that are quite capable
>>> though. Take a look at <http://sourceforge.net>, but don't get
>>> overwhelmed by all the projects (grin).
>>>
>>> That being said, it would be nice if the forms on the National website
>>> had all the data input spaces (i.e.: quantity, price, etc.) created as
>>> text fields so a blank original can be downloaded and save as a
>>> template, then filled out as needed. Of course I am only looking for
>>> someone else to do the work so I don't have to. But once it's done,
>>> it's done.
>>>
>>> Enjoy the weekend,
>>> --
>>> P/C Barclay M. Thomas, AP
>>> Saybrook Power Squadron, D-1
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe or change your email address? See
>>> www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/psml
>>> <http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/psml> for details.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> P/C Dan Bartell, SN
>> SEO - Shallotte River Sail & Power Squadron - D27 (NC)
>> Member USPS National Information Technology Committee
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe or change your email address? See www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/psml for details.
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:41:26 -0500
>From: Frank Kemp <fkemp at optonline.net>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>To: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List <psml at usps.org>
>Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List <psml at usps.org>
>Message-ID: <47D2F9F6.8050108 at optonline.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Take a look at www.software995.com for the product
>called pdf995
>
>it is free (if you don't mind putting up with a little advertising) and
>installs
>so that you can "print" your document to this software - and it will
>brew up a .pdf
>of whatever you just sent to the printer.
>
>Really nifty - it works.
>
>Best - Frank Kemp Darien Sail & Power Squadron Darien, CT D/2
>===
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>Frank B. Kemp e-mail fkemp at optonline.net
>20 Seagate Road phone (203) 656 1129
>Darien, CT 06820-5625
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:36:42 EST
>From: WMMILLER at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>To: fkemp at optonline.net
>Cc: psml at usps.org
>Message-ID: <bfc.2f0056b3.350460ea at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>There is a neat program on the DB2000 download page, actually its two
>programs called Ghost Writer and Redmond. If you load these it prints to a virtual
>printer that results in .pdf files of anything you want to print save to the
>file you pick. It does graphics as well as text, all very easy. If you
>look at the score sheets for the 2006 and 2007 web awards, they were all done
>with these programs. No sense to poke around the web when its available on the
>USPS web.
>
>Bill Miller
>
>
>
>In a message dated 3/8/2008 3:29:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>fkemp at optonline.net writes:
>
>Take a look at www.software995.com for the product
>called pdf995
>
>it is free (if you don't mind putting up with a little advertising) and
>installs
>so that you can "print" your document to this software - and it will
>brew up a .pdf
>of whatever you just sent to the printer.
>
>Really nifty - it works.
>
>Best - Frank Kemp Darien Sail & Power Squadron Darien, CT D/2
>===
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>Frank B. Kemp e-mail fkemp at optonline.net
>20 Seagate Road phone (203) 656 1129
>Darien, CT 06820-5625
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:38:32 -0800
>From: Lu Abel <lu at abelhome.net>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>To: "'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List'" <psml at usps.org>
>Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List <psml at usps.org>
>Message-ID: <47D30758.3060207 at abelhome.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>One of the best, totally free PDF generators is CutePDF
>(www.cutepdf.com). Totally free and no advertising.
>
>When installed it looks like an additional printer, except when you
>"print" using it a popup appears with a save-file-as menu and you
>specify where you want your PDF saved. It works with all Office products
>and most other programs (if it figures it can't work with a particular
>program then it won't show up as an alternate printer).
>
>I've been using it for three or four years now and am very satisfied
>with it. Works perfectly and the price is right!
>
>Lu Abel
>Santa Clara PS
>
>
>Robert Miller wrote:
>> What was I thinking? In my first response I should have mentioned that there
>> are free PDF creators that ?print? to a PDF file. Some are true freeware but
>> quite a few are only free trials so read all the fine print first. Search on
>> ?Free PDF Converter? with Google, Live Search, Yahoo, Lycos or whatever you
>> use and you will find a bunch of alternatives.
>>
>> Sorry I forgot that in the first place.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob
>> ________________________________________
>> From: psml-bounces at usps.org [mailto:psml-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Bartell
>> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:03 AM
>> To: boatsafe at comcast.net
>> Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>>
>> Actually if you have full Acrobat you can turn a PDF document into a form
>> with fields and actions upon submission. Tom Brincka has done that with the
>> Educational Department order forms which go to cgi scripts running on the
>> server and it works quite well. You can partially fill out the forms and
>> save them as templates on your own machine. However it takes full Acrobat
>> which is a bit pricey.
>> Cheers,
>> Dan
>> At 09:28 3/8/2008, Barclay M. Thomas wrote:
>> Dan, R.D., and all,
>> Not that I am an expert but, while Rich Text Format (RTF) is easily read and
>> written by most word processing programs, any document formatting is often
>> lost or skewed in the transition. Portable Document Format (PDF) is designed
>> by default to retain all formatting of the original document no matter what
>> platform or program it is viewed in.
>> Yes, it may take another step or two to save a file in PDF, but it makes for
>> a better archive since all the data will remain in the right place. You can
>> always save the PDF as a text (.txt) file if you want to alter it.
>>
>> I have not paid too much attention to what is out there in terms of PDF
>> creation/conversion programs, but there are a lot and many are not too
>> expensive or are free. Of course you get what you pay for. I do know there
>> are some open-source programs that are quite capable though. Take a look at
>> <http://sourceforge.net>, but don't get overwhelmed by all the projects
>> (grin).
>>
>> That being said, it would be nice if the forms on the National website had
>> all the data input spaces (i.e.: quantity, price, etc.) created as text
>> fields so a blank original can be downloaded and save as a template, then
>> filled out as needed. Of course I am only looking for someone else to do the
>> work so I don't have to. But once it's done, it's done.
>>
>> Enjoy the weekend,
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:41:38 -0500
>From: Dan Bartell <dtb at usps.org>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Paperless Reporting and Record Keeping
>To: WMMILLER at aol.com
>Cc: psml at usps.org
>Message-ID: <20080308214158.132331BF7CC at smtp0.av-mx.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Actually both of those are free ware which have been around for a
>long time they started life as Unix programs and have been in use for
>long before Adobe who DID NOT invent PDF.
>Cheers,
>Dan
>At 16:36 3/8/2008, you wrote:
>>There is a neat program on the DB2000 download page, actually its
>>two programs called Ghost Writer and Redmond. If you load these it
>>prints to a virtual printer that results in .pdf files of anything
>>you want to print save to the file you pick. It does graphics as
>>well as text, all very easy. If you look at the score sheets for
>>the 2006 and 2007 web awards, they were all done with these
>>programs. No sense to poke around the web when its available on the USPS web.
>>
>>Bill Miller
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 3/8/2008 3:29:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>fkemp at optonline.net writes:
>>Take a look at www.software995.com for the product
>>called pdf995
>>
>>it is free (if you don't mind putting up with a little advertising) and
>>installs
>>so that you can "print" your document to this software - and it will
>>brew up a .pdf
>>of whatever you just sent to the printer.
>>
>>Really nifty - it works.
>>
>>Best - Frank Kemp Darien Sail & Power Squadron Darien, CT D/2
>>===
>>
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>Frank B. Kemp e-mail fkemp at optonline.net
>>20 Seagate Road phone (203) 656 1129
>>Darien, CT 06820-5625
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>________________________________________
>>Need to subscribe, unsubscribe or change your email address? See
>>www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/psml for details.
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>_______________________________________________
>P/C Dan Bartell, SN
>SEO - Shallotte River Sail & Power Squadron - D27 (NC)
>Member USPS National Information Technology Committee
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