[Psml] FORCED INVASION OF PRIVACY

[John & Judy Gill]

David,

I agree that the primary mission of USPS is boating safety through  
education.  Unfortunately the theme is now "America's Boating Club"  
and not an educational emphasis.

The debate regarding how to register the public is one of members  
being FORCED to give up their individual right to privacy in order to  
continue to serve their Squadrons in an educational capacity.  On  
this point, we evidently must agree to disagree!!!

My business model is based on being a Marketing Communications and  
Advertising Manager for three divisions of a Fortune 200 company for  
18-1/2 years.  I am also a Life Member of USPS and have served as the  
S/Ch/Mem/Com for 6 + years over two terms.

In my Squadron, we teach our public boating courses in community  
Adult Evening Schools, so the schools do most of the promotion via  
brochures to the public residing in our community.  There is little  
or no need for us to erect bill boards or run advertisements in  
newspapers with our eMail addresses and home phone numbers.  We don't  
think that we should be mandated or Forced to compromise our member's  
privacy for that purpose.  In that regard, we will also have to agree  
to disagree.

We have given freely of our time and talents to educate the public by  
teaching in our public boating courses as well as our member's only  
courses and seminars.  I am a Life Member of USPS, having earned more  
than 30 Merit Marks!!!

Yes, I said we want a few good members -  by that statement, I meant  
that we place more value on active, involved members versus those who  
only pay dues in order to gain membership discounts and other benefits.

Yours in safe boating,

John

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On Jul 8, 2009, at 6:54 PM, David Allen wrote:

> John and list-
>
> Let’s lay this fundamental difference to rest.
>
> The primary mission of USPS is boating safety through education.  A  
> key component is educating the public thought the public service  
> side of the triangle. This entire debate originated over how to  
> register the public for classes. If you do not provide the public  
> with some means to reach you, how do you fulfill that mission,  
> whether the educational offering is 10 weeks or 8 hours? I learned  
> that getting my graduate degree in and practicing public relations  
> for 15 years.
>
> Your business model is not relevant to a non-profit organization. I  
> learned that as general counsel of a mid-sized company.
>
> While I don’t think we should give away educational materials, we  
> should freely give our time and efforts to use these materials to  
> better educate the boating public. I learned that over the past 24  
> years serving USPS.
>
> As I said, our difference is fundamental. You want a few good  
> members.  I want a lot of good members, and am willing to do what  
> work is necessary to get them.
>
> And my squadron is growing.
>
> I rest my case.
>
> P/C David Allen, SN
> Lake Murray Power Squadron, District 26
> District 26 Law Officer
> USPS Law Committee
> USPS Committee on Rules
> Certified USPS Instructor
> Certified USPS Vessel Safety Examiner
>
>
> From: John & Judy Gill [mailto:jjgill at twojscom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:15 PM
> To: dallenjr at sc.rr.com
> Cc: USPS Power Squadron Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Psml] FW: Barriers to Registration
>
> David and psml List:
>
> It isn't hard to get a second eMail address, but it does incur a  
> cost. It also requires someone to check it once or twice a day and  
> delete all the junk mail. We can deal with the dumb questions.
>
> Regarding Marketing 101. I don't know where you got your Marketing  
> Degree, but I was taught that Marketing involved all corporate  
> actions involved in the transfer of goods and/or services from the  
> provider/seller to the user/purchaser. This includes Advertising,  
> Sales, Shipping, Invoicing, Collections, etc.
>
> At no time was I taught that the users/purchasers should get your  
> goods or services Free of Charge OR that they could/should be able  
> to dictate the content or scope of the product provided,  
> particularly regarding educational degrees!!!
>
> I was also taught the importance of educating one's customer base  
> regarding your business practices, such as paying according to the  
> prescribed billing requirements (two, ten, net 30 days), method of  
> payment, etc.
>
> What you have suggested/recommended is not a win/win but rather a  
> Customer wins - USPS looses situation.
>
> As the Marines slogan (modified) states: We only want a few good  
> members!!!
>
> John
>
> ===========================================================
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:38 PM, David Allen wrote (snip)
>
>
> How hard is it to get a second email address?
>
> Marketing 101 - Find out what they want, and give it to them. If it
> requires adaptation, adapt or die.
>
>