[Psml] PSML Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5
Pat Jarmon
pjarmon at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 8 10:42:10 EDT 2009
For what it may be worth, it seems to me that this is a great deal of ado about nothing. What is available lets those who want to untilize online registration do so. Why should the organization try to homogenize all squadrons into one size fits all pattern?
It would seem to me that anyone who disagrees with their own squadron's choice to use an option (or not) should work within the squadron (maybe offer to handle online registration him(her)self?) to change local policy, not try to make National force conformation to a single pattern for all.
Our diversity across the country is part of our strength - as long as local volunteers are happy with system, they will contribute in their own way - coercing comformity loses willingness to serve and sometimes officers or members.
P/C Patricia Jarmon, FC
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> 1. Re: FW: Barriers to Registration
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> 3. Let the customer choose registration
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> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:26:43 -0400
> From: Dan Bartell <dtb at usps.org>
> Subject: Re: [Psml] FW: Barriers to Registration
> To: Markus Ritter <markusritter at hotmail.com>
> Cc: psml at usps.org
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> Just seems strange to describe a
> voluntary/optional service as blocked when you don't choose
> to use it.
> Cheers,
> Dan
> At 09:36 AM 7/7/2009, Markus Ritter wrote:
>
> >Dear Dan
> >
> >The word block is used because some people are
> >too shy to use e-mail or phones to register for
> >a public boating course or a public seminar, yet
> >they are perfectly comfortable with an optonal, on-line
> form.
> >
> >When listing a public course or seminar on the
> >HQ-800 form one has to activly check a box to
> >enable on-line registration to prevent blocking that
> feature.
> >
> >You can say that I am in favor of opening as
> >many ways as practical to get through the eye of the
> needle.
> >
> >Sincerely yours and thanks for all you do.
> >
> >
> >Markus Ritter AP
> >Door County
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ><http://www.usps.org/door>America's Boating Course
> from America's Boating Club
> >
> >click where the cursor turns into a hand.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----------
> >Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:38:14 -0400
> >From: dtb at usps.org
> >Subject: Re: [Psml] FW: Barriers to Registration
> >CC: psml at usps.org
> >To: markusritter at hotmail.com
> >
> >I have been following this whole thing with a
> >bit of confusion since this is all my software.
> >First of all what is the "block" option? I don't
> have a clue.
> >
> >The way the software works is there is a system
> >called the 800 system which lets squadrons list
> >their courses online. If they want online
> >registration for the course they check a box
> >which says "Allow online registration". If they
> >don't want it they don't check it. Also when
> >they list a course there is a required field for
> >course contact and a field for telephone number
> >and a field for email address. You have to pick a
> minimum of one.
> >
> >Then there is a locate a class near you page
> >which allows the public to find a course. The
> >easiest and preferred method is by their zip
> >code. They get back a list sorted by distance
> >between their zip code and the zip code of where
> >the class is given. Part of the information
> >displayed is the contact name and telephone and
> >email depending on what they entered. No email
> >address provided, no email address shown. If
> >the class was listed with online registration
> >and the contact had an email address listed,
> >there is a link to the online registration form
> >which will be emailed to the contact after the
> potential student fills it out.
> >
> >What am I missing? What is this blocked stuff all
> about?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Dan
> >At 11:33 AM 7/5/2009, Kristi W. Anderson wrote:
> >As much as I agree that no one should be blocked, you
> would be amazed at all
> >the road blocks national (that means every department)
> hits when we try to
> >implement something to make the squadrons better.
> Some: sqd barely
> >surviving so no volunteer has a PC; personalities don't
> allow the change as
> >"this is the way we always did it" (ex: increasing of
> dues at district
> >level); not feasible in this area of the country (ex:
> how the calculations
> >for awards are handled); etc. Thus everything
> done at national has a
> >contingency - the squadron gets to choose (ex: the way
> they handle dues).
> >This is great! But, it causes a lot of extra work
> and in this case
> >development. Point is, if National IT offers a
> new feature, there is always
> >one squadron that is surviving with folks who do not
> have a desire to have a
> >computer, have 5 people in the sqd and barely call
> themselves a squadron,
> >but love USPS. Therefore, this is affecting
> everyone. As stated before,
> >maybe before we complain, we can offer a suggested
> resolution with the
> >problem. In this case, add a text line "If your
> SEO does not have email,
> >and there is no one else in the squadron that is
> willing or able to use
> >theirs for this purpose, then choose the "block"
> option." I do highly
> >recommend the forward/blind email address as mentioned
> before. But this
> >text line would help to explain why it is done this
> way. PS - some
> >squadrons will read this and then start using this as
> an excuse (not wanting
> >the gen public emailing them.) Yeah, we have
> heard it all. :-) But we
> >keep trying to better the process and help the
> squadrons regardless.
> >Kristi Anderson
> >IT Committee
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> >_______________________________________________
> >P/C Dan Bartell, SN
> >SEO - Shallotte River Sail & Power Squadron - D27
> (NC)
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:56:48 -0500
> From: Markus Ritter <markusritter at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Psml] FW: Barriers to Registration
> To: Dan Bartell <dtb at usps.org>
> Cc: psml at usps.org
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>
> Lets let the customer choose the option they want.
>
> Force the class/seminar coordinator to adapt to the
> custoer's preferance
>
>
> Markus
>
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:26:43 -0400
> To: markusritter at hotmail.com
> From: dtb at usps.org
> Subject: RE: [Psml] FW: Barriers to Registration
> CC: psml at usps.org
>
>
>
> Just seems strange to describe a voluntary/optional
> service
> as blocked when you don't choose to use it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
> At 09:36 AM 7/7/2009, Markus Ritter wrote:
>
>
> Dear Dan
>
>
>
> The word block is used because some people are too shy to
> use e-mail or
> phones to register for a public boating course or a public
> seminar, yet
> they are perfectly comfortable with an optonal, on-line
> form.
>
>
>
> When listing a public course or seminar on the HQ-800 form
> one has to
> activly check a box to enable on-line registration to
> prevent blocking
> that feature.
>
>
>
> You can say that I am in favor of opening as many ways as
> practical to
> get through the eye of the needle.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours and thanks for all you do.
>
>
>
>
> Markus Ritter AP
>
> Door County
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> America's Boating Course from
> America's Boating Club
>
>
>
>
> click where the cursor turns into a hand.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:38:14 -0400
>
> From: dtb at usps.org
>
> Subject: Re: [Psml] FW: Barriers to Registration
>
> CC: psml at usps.org
>
> To: markusritter at hotmail.com
>
>
> I have been following this whole thing with a bit of
> confusion since this
> is all my software.
>
> First of all what is the "block" option? I don't have
> a
> clue.
>
>
> The way the software works is there is a system called the
> 800 system
> which lets squadrons list their courses online. If
> they want online
> registration for the course they check a box which says
> "Allow
> online registration". If they don't want it they
> don't check
> it. Also when they list a course there is a required
> field for
> course contact and a field for telephone number and a field
> for email
> address. You have to pick a minimum of one.
>
>
> Then there is a locate a class near you page which allows
> the public to
> find a course. The easiest and preferred method is by
> their zip
> code. They get back a list sorted by distance between
> their zip
> code and the zip code of where the class is given.
> Part of the
> information displayed is the contact name and telephone and
> email
> depending on what they entered. No email address
> provided, no email
> address shown. If the class was listed with online
> registration and
> the contact had an email address listed, there is a link to
> the online
> registration form which will be emailed to the contact
> after the
> potential student fills it out.
>
>
> What am I missing? What is this blocked stuff all
> about?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
> At 11:33 AM 7/5/2009, Kristi W. Anderson wrote:
>
> As much as I agree that no one should be blocked, you would
> be amazed
> at all
> the road blocks national (that means every department) hits
> when we
> try to
> implement something to make the squadrons better.
> Some: sqd
> barely
> surviving so no volunteer has a PC; personalities don't
> allow the
> change as
> "this is the way we always did it" (ex: increasing of dues
> at district
> level); not feasible in this area of the country (ex: how
> the
> calculations
> for awards are handled); etc. Thus everything done at
> national
> has a
> contingency - the squadron gets to choose (ex: the way they
> handle
> dues).
> This is great! But, it causes a lot of extra work and
> in this
> case
> development. Point is, if National IT offers a new
> feature,
> there is always
> one squadron that is surviving with folks who do not have a
> desire to
> have a
> computer, have 5 people in the sqd and barely call
> themselves a
> squadron,
> but love USPS. Therefore, this is affecting everyone.
> As stated
> before,
> maybe before we complain, we can offer a suggested
> resolution with
> the
> problem. In this case, add a text line "If your SEO
> does
> not have email,
> and there is no one else in the squadron that is willing or
> able to
> use
> theirs for this purpose, then choose the "block"
> option." I do highly
> recommend the forward/blind email address as mentioned
> before.
> But this
> text line would help to explain why it is done this
> way. PS -
> some
> squadrons will read this and then start using this as an
> excuse (not
> wanting
> the gen public emailing them.) Yeah, we have heard
> it
> all. :-) But we
> keep trying to better the process and help the squadrons
> regardless.
>
>
> Kristi Anderson
> IT Committee
>
>
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> _______________________________________________
>
> P/C Dan Bartell, SN
>
> SEO - Shallotte River Sail & Power Squadron - D27 (NC)
>
> Member USPS National Information Technology Committee
>
>
>
>
> Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync.
>
> Check it out.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> P/C Dan Bartell, SN
>
> SEO - Shallotte River Sail & Power Squadron - D27 (NC)
>
> Member USPS National Information Technology Committee
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:58:29 -0500
> From: Markus Ritter <markusritter at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Psml] Let the customer choose registration
> method
> To: <psml at usps.org>
> Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List <psml at usps.org>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
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>
>
>
> Dear Dan
>
> The word block is used because some people are too shy to
> use e-mail or phones to register for a public boating course
> or a public seminar, yet they are perfectly comfortable with
> an optonal, on-line registration form.
>
> When listing a public course or seminar on the HQ-800 form
> one has to activly check a box to enable on-line
> registration.
>
> Sincerely yours and thanks so very much for all you do.
>
>
> Markus Ritter AP
> Door County
>
>
> PS In other words please force all nationally registered
> public course and public seminars to allow optional on-line
> registration at the customers option. That is all I'm
> asking.
>
>
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:38:14 -0400
> From: dtb at usps.org
> Subject: Re: [Psml] FW: Barriers to Registration
> CC: psml at usps.org
> To: markusritter at hotmail.com
>
> I have been following this whole thing with a bit of
> confusion since this is all my software.
> First of all what is the "block" option? I don't have
> a clue.
>
>
>
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