[Psml] PSML Digest, Vol 34, Issue 11

[rdaybell at earthlink.net]

 It would be far more appropriate to send the member and the commander a reminder about the dues in advance of removing the members name from the DB 2000 listing.  An automated message could be set up as a warning or reminder so there is a chance for the squadron to take some action in advance of having the member's name removed.  If you can automatically remove the person's name with the current system as has been done in our case you can certainly set up automatic reminder system from the database.  

We received a second automatic message which said we couldn't keep of member as our DB 2000 person even if he renews his membership.
That will leaves the squadron without someone to deal with DB 2000.

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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:13:19 -0400
>From: "John R. Bradley" <jrb at accurecord.com>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] Automated changes in our roster information
>To: <psml at usps.org>
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>Cdr Daybell,
>
>I refer you to Squadron Bylaws section 7.5.
>
>"Non payment of squadron dues may be excused by the Executive Committee, but
>nothing herein shall authorize the waiver of dues to USPS or of any amount
>intended to defray a per capita assessment of the squadron by its district".
>
>This means that your squadron upon Executive Committee determination may
>keep a member who has not paid the squadron dues. However to do so, someone,
>probably the squadron, MUST pay the dues owed to USPS and the district
>assessment owed to District 13.  This was not done. Regardless of your
>belief that ITCom are the bad guys here and doing nonsensical things, most
>people understand that we merely enforce the rules of the organization. 
>
>USPS bylaws state quite clearly that membership is a privilege not a right
>and that if dues of any member are in arrears later than two weeks after the
>beginning of the member's dues year, membership, including any family
>membership in connection therewith, will be terminated automatically and
>without further notice.
>
>This member will also not be eligible for a merit mark for his efforts until
>you address the financial issue.
>
>R/C John R. Bradley, SN
>Chair USPS Information Technology Committee
>60 Old Brook Road 
>Dix Hills, NY 11746-6432 
>(800) 777-3770 ext.203 Office 
>(631) 546-5768 Home 
>(631) 274-2103 FAX 
>jrb at accurecord.com 
>    
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:28:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
>From: "rdaybell at earthlink.net" <rdaybell at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] PSML Digest, Vol 34, Issue 10
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>We object to taking a persons name off the list as a "nonmember" who is in fact a member having financial difficulty while arrangements are being made to get his dues paid.  This person is a valuable member of our squadron and shouldn't be classified  as a nonmember by an  inpersonnal automatic computer system.  
>
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:14:29 -0400
>>From: "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell at comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Psml] Automated changes in our roster information
>>To: <rdaybell at earthlink.net>
>>Cc: 'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List' <psml at usps.org>
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>>It's hard to believe that someone could object to national taking a
>>nonmember off the roster.  If the squadron wants someone who can't pay
>>the dues to still be a member, it should pay the dues itself and,
>>hopefully, get reimbursed when the situation improves.
>>
>>P/C Harleigh Ewell, JN
>>Rockville Sail and Power Squadron
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: psml-bounces at usps.org [mailto:psml-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of
>>rdaybell at earthlink.net
>>Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:59 PM
>>To: hewell at comcast.net
>>Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List
>>Subject: [Psml] Automated changes in our roster information
>>
>>For the second time this year the information Technology committee
>>system has automatically taken a name off our OD -2 roster form without
>>our squadron's consent and without prior notice.   In this case it is
>>our member who handles the DB 2000 reporting and management for the
>>squadron.
>>Our member is having financial difficulties at this time and will be
>>late in renewing his dues.  We intend to keep him as a member and for
>>him to continue managing DB 2000 for the squadron.  Therefore Alamitos
>>Sail and Power Squadron, Squadron number 075 will have no individual
>>handling DB 2000.  We will not be submitting a new roster since we have
>>elected to keep the roster which we set up and assign members to handle.
>>It is our place to make changes rather then the national IT committee
>>and their automated nonsense.
>>
>>If the IT  committee is going to continue dictating to squadrons in this
>>manner you may soon find a vacancy in the Commander position for
>>Alamitos and possible loss of other Alamitos members as well.  We run
>>the squadron not the IT committee or National.
>>
>>Cdr R.D. Daybell, SN
>>
>>
>>R.D. Daybell
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>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:40:57 -0500
>From: "Stephen Whyland" <swhyland at whyland.net>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] PSML Digest, Vol 34, Issue 10
>To: <rdaybell at earthlink.net>
>Cc: 'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List' <psml at usps.org>
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>It bothers me that what should be an open discussion about the procedures
>that are currently in place, is not a discussion but demands and b____ing
>about what should not be happening. Perhaps a suggestion on how to work
>together in a specific scenario is what is required. There has to be some
>fixed time period where National removes a member from the roster for
>nonpayment of dues. The National roster would not be anywhere close to
>accurate if National relied on the local squadrons to decide when someone is
>no longer going to renew. My suggestion would be for IT to add a function to
>email the local squadron commander notifying them of the pending removal.
>The local squadron could then notify National that they would accept the
>charges for the members dues.    
>
>P/C Stephen Whyland P
>Lakes Region Sail and Power Squadron
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:29 PM
>To: swhyland at whyland.net
>Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Psml] PSML Digest, Vol 34, Issue 10
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>We object to taking a persons name off the list as a "nonmember" who is in
>fact a member having financial difficulty while arrangements are being made
>to get his dues paid.  This person is a valuable member of our squadron and
>shouldn't be classified  as a nonmember by an  inpersonnal automatic
>computer system.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:14:29 -0400
>>From: "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell at comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Psml] Automated changes in our roster information
>>To: <rdaybell at earthlink.net>
>>Cc: 'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List' <psml at usps.org>
>>Message-ID: <AD0C99C9C2074DD7B4A61E8FFF577C74 at 85wpjmbt8kk67tb>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
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>>It's hard to believe that someone could object to national taking a
>>nonmember off the roster.  If the squadron wants someone who can't pay
>>the dues to still be a member, it should pay the dues itself and,
>>hopefully, get reimbursed when the situation improves.
>>
>>P/C Harleigh Ewell, JN
>>Rockville Sail and Power Squadron
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: psml-bounces at usps.org [mailto:psml-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of
>>rdaybell at earthlink.net
>>Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:59 PM
>>To: hewell at comcast.net
>>Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List
>>Subject: [Psml] Automated changes in our roster information
>>
>>For the second time this year the information Technology committee
>>system has automatically taken a name off our OD -2 roster form without
>>our squadron's consent and without prior notice.   In this case it is
>>our member who handles the DB 2000 reporting and management for the
>>squadron.
>>Our member is having financial difficulties at this time and will be
>>late in renewing his dues.  We intend to keep him as a member and for
>>him to continue managing DB 2000 for the squadron.  Therefore Alamitos
>>Sail and Power Squadron, Squadron number 075 will have no individual
>>handling DB 2000.  We will not be submitting a new roster since we have
>>elected to keep the roster which we set up and assign members to handle.
>>It is our place to make changes rather then the national IT committee
>>and their automated nonsense.
>>
>>If the IT  committee is going to continue dictating to squadrons in this
>>manner you may soon find a vacancy in the Commander position for
>>Alamitos and possible loss of other Alamitos members as well.  We run
>>the squadron not the IT committee or National.
>>
>>Cdr R.D. Daybell, SN
>>
>>
>>R.D. Daybell
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:46:43 -0400
>From: <kayaklady at cfl.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [Psml] PSML Digest, Vol 34, Issue 10
>To: Stephen Whyland <swhyland at whyland.net>
>Cc: 'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List' <psml at usps.org>
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>Don't you think having a "non-renewed sorta" status is ridiculous?  I suggest that the squadron pay the dues and then let the member owe the squadron or the squadron write it off.  YOur choice, but we can't change every little thing.  :-)  We can, but nightmare to maintain as the next Commander won't know or gets sick or whatever.  We just paid the dues.
>
>Kristi Anderson
>
>---- Stephen Whyland <swhyland at whyland.net> wrote: 
>> It bothers me that what should be an open discussion about the procedures
>> that are currently in place, is not a discussion but demands and b____ing
>> about what should not be happening. Perhaps a suggestion on how to work
>> together in a specific scenario is what is required. There has to be some
>> fixed time period where National removes a member from the roster for
>> nonpayment of dues. The National roster would not be anywhere close to
>> accurate if National relied on the local squadrons to decide when someone is
>> no longer going to renew. My suggestion would be for IT to add a function to
>> email the local squadron commander notifying them of the pending removal.
>> The local squadron could then notify National that they would accept the
>> charges for the members dues.    
>> 
>> P/C Stephen Whyland P
>> Lakes Region Sail and Power Squadron
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: psml-bounces at usps.org [mailto:psml-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of
>> rdaybell at earthlink.net
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:29 PM
>> To: swhyland at whyland.net
>> Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Psml] PSML Digest, Vol 34, Issue 10
>> 
>> We object to taking a persons name off the list as a "nonmember" who is in
>> fact a member having financial difficulty while arrangements are being made
>> to get his dues paid.  This person is a valuable member of our squadron and
>> shouldn't be classified  as a nonmember by an  inpersonnal automatic
>> computer system.  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: psml-request at usps.org
>> >Sent: Jul 10, 2009 9:00 AM
>> >To: "R.Daybell" <rdaybell at earthlink.net>
>> >Subject: PSML Digest, Vol 34, Issue 10
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>> >   1. Re: Automated changes in our roster information (Harleigh Ewell)
>> >
>> >
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >Message: 1
>> >Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:14:29 -0400
>> >From: "Harleigh Ewell" <hewell at comcast.net>
>> >Subject: Re: [Psml] Automated changes in our roster information
>> >To: <rdaybell at earthlink.net>
>> >Cc: 'United States Power Squadrons Mailing List' <psml at usps.org>
>> >Message-ID: <AD0C99C9C2074DD7B4A61E8FFF577C74 at 85wpjmbt8kk67tb>
>> >Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>> >
>> >It's hard to believe that someone could object to national taking a
>> >nonmember off the roster.  If the squadron wants someone who can't pay
>> >the dues to still be a member, it should pay the dues itself and,
>> >hopefully, get reimbursed when the situation improves.
>> >
>> >P/C Harleigh Ewell, JN
>> >Rockville Sail and Power Squadron
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: psml-bounces at usps.org [mailto:psml-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of
>> >rdaybell at earthlink.net
>> >Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:59 PM
>> >To: hewell at comcast.net
>> >Cc: United States Power Squadrons Mailing List
>> >Subject: [Psml] Automated changes in our roster information
>> >
>> >For the second time this year the information Technology committee
>> >system has automatically taken a name off our OD -2 roster form without
>> >our squadron's consent and without prior notice.   In this case it is
>> >our member who handles the DB 2000 reporting and management for the
>> >squadron.
>> >Our member is having financial difficulties at this time and will be
>> >late in renewing his dues.  We intend to keep him as a member and for
>> >him to continue managing DB 2000 for the squadron.  Therefore Alamitos
>> >Sail and Power Squadron, Squadron number 075 will have no individual
>> >handling DB 2000.  We will not be submitting a new roster since we have
>> >elected to keep the roster which we set up and assign members to handle.
>> >It is our place to make changes rather then the national IT committee
>> >and their automated nonsense.
>> >
>> >If the IT  committee is going to continue dictating to squadrons in this
>> >manner you may soon find a vacancy in the Commander position for
>> >Alamitos and possible loss of other Alamitos members as well.  We run
>> >the squadron not the IT committee or National.
>> >
>> >Cdr R.D. Daybell, SN
>> >
>> >
>> >R.D. Daybell
>> >________________________________________
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