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<p class=MsoPlainText>Enough, and thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:red'>Proud to be District
5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>J. Brian Becker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>410 442-1230<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: psml-bounces@usps.org [mailto:psml-bounces@usps.org] On Behalf Of John
& Judy Gill<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:14 PM<br>
To: J Brian Becker<br>
Cc: USPS Power Squadron Mailing List<br>
Subject: Re: [Psml] FORCED INVASION OF PRIVACY</p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>David,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I agree that the primary mission of USPS is boating
safety through <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>education. Unfortunately the theme is now
"America's Boating Club" <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>and not an educational emphasis.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>The debate regarding how to register the public is one of
members <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>being FORCED to give up their individual right to privacy
in order to <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>continue to serve their Squadrons in an educational
capacity. On <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>this point, we evidently must agree to disagree!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>My business model is based on being a Marketing
Communications and <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Advertising Manager for three divisions of a Fortune 200
company for <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>18-1/2 years. I am also a Life Member of USPS and have
served as the <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>S/Ch/Mem/Com for 6 + years over two terms.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>In my Squadron, we teach our public boating courses in
community <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Adult Evening Schools, so the schools do most of the
promotion via <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>brochures to the public residing in our community. There
is little <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>or no need for us to erect bill boards or run
advertisements in <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>newspapers with our eMail addresses and home phone numbers.
We don't <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>think that we should be mandated or Forced to compromise
our member's <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>privacy for that purpose. In that regard, we will also
have to agree <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>to disagree.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>We have given freely of our time and talents to educate
the public by <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>teaching in our public boating courses as well as our
member's only <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>courses and seminars. I am a Life Member of USPS, having
earned more <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>than 30 Merit Marks!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Yes, I said we want a few good members - by that
statement, I meant <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>that we place more value on active, involved members
versus those who <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>only pay dues in order to gain membership discounts and
other benefits.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Yours in safe boating,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>John<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>====================================================<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>On Jul 8, 2009, at 6:54 PM, David Allen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> John and list-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Let’s lay this fundamental difference to rest.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> The primary mission of USPS is boating safety
through education. A <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> key component is educating the public thought the
public service <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> side of the triangle. This entire debate originated
over how to <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> register the public for classes. If you do not
provide the public <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> with some means to reach you, how do you fulfill
that mission, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> whether the educational offering is 10 weeks or 8
hours? I learned <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> that getting my graduate degree in and practicing
public relations <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> for 15 years.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Your business model is not relevant to a non-profit
organization. I <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> learned that as general counsel of a mid-sized
company.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> While I don’t think we should give away educational
materials, we <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> should freely give our time and efforts to use these
materials to <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> better educate the boating public. I learned that
over the past 24 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> years serving USPS.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> As I said, our difference is fundamental. You want a
few good <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> members. I want a lot of good members, and am
willing to do what <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> work is necessary to get them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> And my squadron is growing.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> I rest my case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> P/C David Allen, SN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Lake Murray Power Squadron, District 26<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> District 26 Law Officer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> USPS Law Committee<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> USPS Committee on Rules<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Certified USPS Instructor<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Certified USPS Vessel Safety Examiner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> From: John & Judy Gill
[mailto:jjgill@twojscom.com]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:15 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> To: dallenjr@sc.rr.com<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Cc: USPS Power Squadron Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: Re: [Psml] FW: Barriers to Registration<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> David and psml List:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> It isn't hard to get a second eMail address, but it
does incur a <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> cost. It also requires someone to check it once or
twice a day and <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> delete all the junk mail. We can deal with the dumb
questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Regarding Marketing 101. I don't know where you got
your Marketing <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Degree, but I was taught that Marketing involved all
corporate <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> actions involved in the transfer of goods and/or
services from the <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> provider/seller to the user/purchaser. This includes
Advertising, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Sales, Shipping, Invoicing, Collections, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> At no time was I taught that the users/purchasers
should get your <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> goods or services Free of Charge OR that they
could/should be able <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> to dictate the content or scope of the product
provided, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> particularly regarding educational degrees!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> I was also taught the importance of educating one's
customer base <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> regarding your business practices, such as paying
according to the <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> prescribed billing requirements (two, ten, net 30
days), method of <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> payment, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> What you have suggested/recommended is not a win/win
but rather a <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Customer wins - USPS looses situation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> As the Marines slogan (modified) states: We only want
a few good <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> members!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> John<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>
===========================================================<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:38 PM, David Allen wrote (snip)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> How hard is it to get a second email address?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Marketing 101 - Find out what they want, and give it
to them. If it<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> requires adaptation, adapt or die.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
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