[ve-l] RE: ve-l digest, Vol 1 #294 - 8 msgs
Kenneth Griffing
kgriffing@earthlink.net
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:31:42 -0700
I have been on the list for several years and am yet to receive my first
contact as a result of the list. I have checked and all of my information
is correct and current.
Ken
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> 1. Re: ve-l digest, Vol 1 #293 - 2 msgs (rdaybell@earthlink.net)
> 2. Inland Bell Requirement (hleahy142@adelphia.net)
> 3. RE: Inland Bell Requirement (Robert Miller)
> 4. RE: Inland Bell Requirement (Ken Shaver)
> 5. Ding-Dong (d bruce emerson)
> 6. Re: Bells and Laws (Barclay M. Thomas)
> 7. RE: Inland Bell Requirement (Robert Miller)
> 8. Re: Inland Bell Requirement (Ed Lott-Yachts of Hawaii-U.S. C.G.
Aux,Dist.14)
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> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:43:03 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: "rdaybell@earthlink.net" <rdaybell@earthlink.net>
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> To: ve-l@usps.org
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> Why do your messages contain a bunch of gibberish after the main message?
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> > 1. Register for "I Want A VSC" (Robert Miller)
> > 2. RE: Register for "I Want A VSC" (Robert Miller)
> >
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> >Message: 1
> >From: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net>
> >To: "ve-1" <ve-l@usps.org>
> >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:33:17 -0700
> >Subject: [ve-l] Register for "I Want A VSC"
> >
> >Ahoy VEs,
> >
> >It has come to our attention that most USPS VEs are not registered for
the
> >online "I Want a VSC" system. This is a voluntary list so each VE must
sign
> >up to be included on the list. This is a simple process. All you have to
do
> >is go to the USPS VSC home page http://www.usps.org/national/vsc/ and
click
> >on �Register for the Online VE Locator� on the left hand menu. This
will
> >take you to the signup page where registration is near the bottom of the
> >page.
> >
> >Even if you believe you have registered in the past, you should double
check
> >that you are actually on the list.
> >
> >Safe & fun Boating,
> >
> >Bob�
> >�
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-- __--__--
> >
> >Message: 2
> >From: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net>
> >To: "'bill@steinborn.org'" <wsteinborn@comcast.net>, "ve-1"
<ve-l@usps.org>
> >Subject: RE: [ve-l] Register for "I Want A VSC"
> >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:25:06 -0700
> >
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> >That is great Bill. I hope that more will sign up. Thanks for the
> >verification.
> >
> >
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: bill@steinborn.org [mailto:wsteinborn@comcast.net]
> >Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:56 PM
> >To: Robert Miller
> >Subject: Re: [ve-l] Register for "I Want A VSC"
> >
> >
> >
> >I've been contacted twice in the last month or so through the list, so I
> >know I am in there......
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >----------------
> >Bill Steinborn
> >bill@steinborn.org
> >www.dustyjacket.com
> >
> >
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net>
> >
> >> Ahoy VEs,
> >>
> >> It has come to our attention that most USPS VEs are not registered for
the
> >
> >> online "I Want a VSC" system. This is a voluntary list so each VE must
> >sign
> >> up to be included on the list. This is a simple process. All you have
to
> >do
> >> is go to the USPS VSC home page http://www.usps.org/national/vsc/ and
> >click
> >> on "Register for the Online VE Locator" on the left hand menu. This
will
> >> take you to the signup page where registration is near the bottom of
the
> >> page.
> >>
> >> Even if you believe you have registered in the past, you should double
> >check
> >> that you are actually on the list.
> >>
> >> Safe & fun Boating,
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> ve-l mailing list
> >> ve-l@usps.org
> >> http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l
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> ><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
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> >style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>That is great Bill. I hope that =
> >more will
> >sign up. Thanks for the verification.</span></font></p>
> >
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> ><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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> >bill@steinborn.org [mailto:wsteinborn@comcast.net] <br>
> ><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 10, =
> >2006 1:56
> >PM<br>
> ><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Robert Miller<br>
> ><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ve-l] =
> >Register for
> >"I Want A VSC"</span></font></p>
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> ><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> >style=3D'font-size:
> >12.0pt'>I've been contacted twice in the last month or so through the =
> >list, so
> >I know I am in there......</span></font></p>
> >
> ></div>
> >
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> >
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> >---------------- <br>
> >Bill Steinborn <br>
> >bill@steinborn.org <br>
> >www.dustyjacket.com </span></font></p>
> >
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> >
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> >
> ><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> >style=3D'font-size:
> >12.0pt'>-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
> >From: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net> <br>
> ><br>
> >> Ahoy VEs, <br>
> >> <br>
> >> It has come to our attention that most USPS VEs are not registered =
> >for the
> ><br>
> >> online "I Want a VSC" system. This is a voluntary list so =
> >each
> >VE must sign <br>
> >> up to be included on the list. This is a simple process. All you =
> >have to
> >do <br>
> >> is go to the USPS VSC home page http://www.usps.org/national/vsc/ =
> >and
> >click <br>
> >> on “Register for the Online VE Locator” on the left =
> >hand menu.
> >This will <br>
> >> take you to the signup page where registration is near the bottom =
> >of the <br>
> >> page. <br>
> >> <br>
> >> Even if you believe you have registered in the past, you should =
> >double
> >check <br>
> >> that you are actually on the list. <br>
> >> <br>
> >> Safe & fun Boating, <br>
> >> <br>
> >> Bob <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> _______________________________________________ <br>
> >> ve-l mailing list <br>
> >> ve-l@usps.org <br>
> >> http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l </span></font></p>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:00:29 -0400
> From: hleahy142@adelphia.net
> To: USPS VE Mailing List <ve-l@usps.org>
> Subject: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
>
> The USCG Auxiliary VE Department has published For Safety's Sake Vol II
No. 6. That is the departmental newsletter. On page 5 is an article
"Clarifying The Bell Requirement:".
>
> *** start copy
>
> In response to a question regarding the need for a vessel more
> than 12 meters in length to carry a bell, W. Vann Burgess, PCB-2
> writes;
>
> “While this person is technically correct in that Rule 33(a) of the
> Inland Rules still states ‘... and a bell...’ for vessels more than
12 meters in length, the Rule is a moot point as a result of Rule 1(b)(ii)
that states ‘All vessels complying with the construction and equipment
requirements of the International Regulations are considered to be in
compliance with these Rules (Inland).’
>
> As a result of the change to Rule 33(a) of the COLREGS, and the impact of
Rule 1(b)(ii) of the Inland Rules, the Coast Guard (the governing body of
the Inland Rules) has decided that a vessel less than 20 meters in length
is no longer required to carry a bell on board, and no enforcement action
will be taken against a vessel less than 20 meters in length for
requirements relating to the carriage of a bell. The reason Rule 33 (a) of
the Inland Rules has not been changed to reflect this position is due to
the fact the Inland Rules are written into law (United States Code) and not
regulation (Code of Federal Regulations), thereby a change has required an
action by the Congress of the United States and not a simple regulatory
change. Just recently the Coast Guard has been given authority by Congress
to put the Inland Rules into the Code of Federal Regulations and is in the
early stages of a regulatory project.
>
> The bottom-line, a bell is no longer required on a vessel less than 20
meters in length. That of course means a bell is not required for those
same vessels for successful completion of a VSC.”
>
> *** end copy
>
> Page 4 contains an article on doing Rental Boat Safety Checks.
>
> Hal Leahy
> Palm Beach S&PS
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net>
> To: <hleahy142@adelphia.net>, "'USPS VE Mailing List'" <ve-l@usps.org>
> Subject: RE: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:26 -0700
>
> All VEs,
>
> One caution to all VEs about what Hal has correctly stated. Many states
have
> incorporated the bell requirement into their own regulations at the 12
meter
> length. This requirement by states is not over ridden by any of the
> International or Federal changes unless the state also makes the change.
VEs
> need to be knowledgeable of their state regulations.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ve-l-admin@usps.org [mailto:ve-l-admin@usps.org] On Behalf Of
> hleahy142@adelphia.net
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:00 PM
> To: USPS VE Mailing List
> Subject: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
>
> The USCG Auxiliary VE Department has published For Safety's Sake Vol II
No.
> 6. That is the departmental newsletter. On page 5 is an article
"Clarifying
> The Bell Requirement:".
>
> *** start copy
>
> In response to a question regarding the need for a vessel more
> than 12 meters in length to carry a bell, W. Vann Burgess, PCB-2
> writes;
>
> While this person is technically correct in that Rule 33(a) of the
> Inland Rules still states ... and a bell... for vessels more than 12
> meters in length, the Rule is a moot point as a result of Rule 1(b)(ii)
that
> states All vessels complying with the construction and equipment
> requirements of the International Regulations are considered to be in
> compliance with these Rules (Inland).
>
> As a result of the change to Rule 33(a) of the COLREGS, and the impact of
> Rule 1(b)(ii) of the Inland Rules, the Coast Guard (the governing body of
> the Inland Rules) has decided that a vessel less than 20 meters in length
is
> no longer required to carry a bell on board, and no enforcement action
will
> be taken against a vessel less than 20 meters in length for requirements
> relating to the carriage of a bell. The reason Rule 33 (a) of the Inland
> Rules has not been changed to reflect this position is due to the fact the
> Inland Rules are written into law (United States Code) and not regulation
> (Code of Federal Regulations), thereby a change has required an action by
> the Congress of the United States and not a simple regulatory change. Just
> recently the Coast Guard has been given authority by Congress to put the
> Inland Rules into the Code of Federal Regulations and is in the early
stages
> of a regulatory project.
>
> The bottom-line, a bell is no longer required on a vessel less than 20
> meters in length. That of course means a bell is not required for those
same
> vessels for successful completion of a VSC.
>
> *** end copy
>
> Page 4 contains an article on doing Rental Boat Safety Checks.
>
> Hal Leahy
> Palm Beach S&PS
>
> _______________________________________________
> ve-l mailing list
> ve-l@usps.org
> http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:02 -0700
> To: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net>, <hleahy142@adelphia.net>,
> "'USPS VE Mailing List'" <ve-l@usps.org>
> From: Ken Shaver <keshaver@olympus.net>
> Subject: RE: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
>
> Bob so where does that put WA.State?
>
>
> At 05:22 PM 4/12/2006, Robert Miller wrote:
> >All VEs,
> >
> >One caution to all VEs about what Hal has correctly stated. Many states
have
> >incorporated the bell requirement into their own regulations at the 12
meter
> >length. This requirement by states is not over ridden by any of the
> >International or Federal changes unless the state also makes the change.
VEs
> >need to be knowledgeable of their state regulations.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ve-l-admin@usps.org [mailto:ve-l-admin@usps.org] On Behalf Of
> >hleahy142@adelphia.net
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:00 PM
> >To: USPS VE Mailing List
> >Subject: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
> >
> >The USCG Auxiliary VE Department has published For Safety's Sake Vol II
No.
> >6. That is the departmental newsletter. On page 5 is an article
"Clarifying
> >The Bell Requirement:".
> >
> >*** start copy
> >
> >In response to a question regarding the need for a vessel more
> >than 12 meters in length to carry a bell, W. Vann Burgess, PCB-2
> >writes;
> >
> >"While this person is technically correct in that Rule 33(a) of the
> >Inland Rules still states '... and a bell...' for vessels more than 12
> >meters in length, the Rule is a moot point as a result of Rule 1(b)(ii)
that
> >states 'All vessels complying with the construction and equipment
> >requirements of the International Regulations are considered to be in
> >compliance with these Rules (Inland).'
> >
> >As a result of the change to Rule 33(a) of the COLREGS, and the impact of
> >Rule 1(b)(ii) of the Inland Rules, the Coast Guard (the governing body of
> >the Inland Rules) has decided that a vessel less than 20 meters in
length is
> >no longer required to carry a bell on board, and no enforcement action
will
> >be taken against a vessel less than 20 meters in length for requirements
> >relating to the carriage of a bell. The reason Rule 33 (a) of the Inland
> >Rules has not been changed to reflect this position is due to the fact
the
> >Inland Rules are written into law (United States Code) and not regulation
> >(Code of Federal Regulations), thereby a change has required an action by
> >the Congress of the United States and not a simple regulatory change.
Just
> >recently the Coast Guard has been given authority by Congress to put the
> >Inland Rules into the Code of Federal Regulations and is in the early
stages
> >of a regulatory project.
> >
> >The bottom-line, a bell is no longer required on a vessel less than 20
> >meters in length. That of course means a bell is not required for those
same
> >vessels for successful completion of a VSC."
> >
> >*** end copy
> >
> >Page 4 contains an article on doing Rental Boat Safety Checks.
> >
> >Hal Leahy
> >Palm Beach S&PS
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ve-l mailing list
> >ve-l@usps.org
> >http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ve-l mailing list
> >ve-l@usps.org
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>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: d bruce emerson <bayliner2555@yahoo.com>
> To: ve-l@usps.org
> Subject: [ve-l] Ding-Dong
>
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> List and Gentlemen,
> The Vessel Examiners are the front line troops and once again you
have put us in a crossfire. I happen to live and boat in the State of
Michigan which requires a bell for all vessels between 26 feet and 20
meters. This is not in the Michigan Boating Laws and Regulations, it is in
a Michigan Administrative Rule from 1967 which the state has not removed
from the books. The Michigan Attorney General advises me that he has
turned this matter over to The Michigan Department of Natural Resources.
Everyone acknowledges that this needs to be eliminated but there are 26
steps that need to be taken in order for an administrative rule to be
recinded. No progress is being made toward doing this. In the meantime,
the Vessel Examiner is supposed to explain to the boat owner that he has to
get a bell that is not required by the Coast Guard before a decal can be
awarded.
> But for vessels between 12 and 20 meters this is a MOOT POINT if they
don't have a Copy of the Navigation
> Rules dated Jan.2, 2006. Item 13 on the ANSC7012 (6-02) form states
that "Boats 39.4 feet and over must have on board a current copy of the
Navigation Rules."
> Some of the improvements that are being made are making the Vessel
Examiner's job more difficult.
>
> Lt. D. Bruce Emerson (P)
> ToledoPower Squadron
> VSC Chairguy
>
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> <DIV>List and Gentlemen,</DIV> <DIV> The Vessel Examiners are the
front line troops and once again you have put us in a crossfire. I
happen to live and boat in the State of Michigan which requires a bell for
all vessels between 26 feet and 20 meters. This is not in the
Michigan Boating Laws and Regulations, it is in a Michigan Administrative
Rule from 1967 which the state has not removed from the books. The
Michigan Attorney General advises me that he has turned this matter over to
The Michigan Department of Natural Resources. Everyone acknowledges
that this needs to be eliminated but there are 26 steps that need to be
taken in order for an administrative rule to be recinded. No progress
is being made toward doing this. In the meantime, the Vessel Examiner
is supposed to explain to the boat owner that he has to get a bell that is
not required by the Coast Guard before a decal can be awarded.</DIV>
<DIV> But for vessels
> between 12 and 20 meters this is a MOOT POINT if they don't have a Copy
of the Navigation </DIV> <DIV>Rules dated Jan.2, 2006. Item 13 on
the ANSC7012 (6-02) form states that "Boats 39.4 feet and over must have on
board a current copy of the Navigation Rules."</DIV> <DIV> Some of
the improvements that are being made are making the Vessel Examiner's job
more difficult.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lt. D. Bruce Emerson
(P)</DIV> <DIV>ToledoPower Squadron</DIV> <DIV>VSC Chairguy</DIV>
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> Message: 6
> To: VSCList VSC <ve-l@usps.org>
> From: "Barclay M. Thomas" <barcthom@sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:37:58 -0400
> Subject: [ve-l] Re: Bells and Laws
>
> Similar situation in the State of Connecticut.
> On page 26 of the "Boater's Guide" it states: "... that every motorboat
> 26 feet or more in length to be equipped with a bell capable of
> producing a clear bell-like tone of full round characteristics."
>
> That puts the quality of the sound produced squarely in the ear of the
> VE and/or the law enforcement official with no real guidance other than
> the horn/whistle requirement of 1/2 mile audible range.
>
> A dinner-bell from Aunt Millie's tea service won't cut it but, then
> again???
> --
> P/C Barclay M. Thomas, AP
> Vessel Safety Check Chairman
> Saybrook Power Squadron, D/1
> barcthom@sbcglobal.net
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> From: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net>
> To: "'Ken Shaver'" <keshaver@olympus.net>, <hleahy142@adelphia.net>,
> "'USPS VE Mailing List'" <ve-l@usps.org>
> Subject: RE: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:37:59 -0700
>
> Washington State requires the bell at 12 meters.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Shaver [mailto:keshaver@olympus.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:05 PM
> To: Robert Miller; hleahy142@adelphia.net; 'USPS VE Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
>
> Bob so where does that put WA.State?
>
>
> At 05:22 PM 4/12/2006, Robert Miller wrote:
> >All VEs,
> >
> >One caution to all VEs about what Hal has correctly stated. Many states
> have
> >incorporated the bell requirement into their own regulations at the 12
> meter
> >length. This requirement by states is not over ridden by any of the
> >International or Federal changes unless the state also makes the change.
> VEs
> >need to be knowledgeable of their state regulations.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ve-l-admin@usps.org [mailto:ve-l-admin@usps.org] On Behalf Of
> >hleahy142@adelphia.net
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:00 PM
> >To: USPS VE Mailing List
> >Subject: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
> >
> >The USCG Auxiliary VE Department has published For Safety's Sake Vol II
No.
> >6. That is the departmental newsletter. On page 5 is an article
"Clarifying
> >The Bell Requirement:".
> >
> >*** start copy
> >
> >In response to a question regarding the need for a vessel more
> >than 12 meters in length to carry a bell, W. Vann Burgess, PCB-2
> >writes;
> >
> >"While this person is technically correct in that Rule 33(a) of the
> >Inland Rules still states '... and a bell...' for vessels more than 12
> >meters in length, the Rule is a moot point as a result of Rule 1(b)(ii)
> that
> >states 'All vessels complying with the construction and equipment
> >requirements of the International Regulations are considered to be in
> >compliance with these Rules (Inland).'
> >
> >As a result of the change to Rule 33(a) of the COLREGS, and the impact of
> >Rule 1(b)(ii) of the Inland Rules, the Coast Guard (the governing body of
> >the Inland Rules) has decided that a vessel less than 20 meters in length
> is
> >no longer required to carry a bell on board, and no enforcement action
will
> >be taken against a vessel less than 20 meters in length for requirements
> >relating to the carriage of a bell. The reason Rule 33 (a) of the Inland
> >Rules has not been changed to reflect this position is due to the fact
the
> >Inland Rules are written into law (United States Code) and not regulation
> >(Code of Federal Regulations), thereby a change has required an action by
> >the Congress of the United States and not a simple regulatory change.
Just
> >recently the Coast Guard has been given authority by Congress to put the
> >Inland Rules into the Code of Federal Regulations and is in the early
> stages
> >of a regulatory project.
> >
> >The bottom-line, a bell is no longer required on a vessel less than 20
> >meters in length. That of course means a bell is not required for those
> same
> >vessels for successful completion of a VSC."
> >
> >*** end copy
> >
> >Page 4 contains an article on doing Rental Boat Safety Checks.
> >
> >Hal Leahy
> >Palm Beach S&PS
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> From: "Ed Lott-Yachts of Hawaii-U.S. C.G. Aux,Dist.14" <yachtshi@lava.net>
> To: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net>, <hleahy142@adelphia.net>,
> "'USPS VE Mailing List'" <ve-l@usps.org>,
> "Ken Shaver" <keshaver@olympus.net>
> Subject: Re: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:16:37 -1000
>
> Aloha all !!!
>
> Doesn't Line 14 of the VE form require vessels in a given state to conform
> to state requirements as well as federal requirements? If a vessel does
not
> meet the requirements for its state it may not receive a decal. This goes
> for states which require a bell for vessels of whatever length. In Hawaii,
> any vessel capable of going 1 mile offshore MUST have an EPIRB or VHF
> radio. Not having one or the other is a violation of state law and a decal
> may not be awarded. An anchor bill will go before the legislature next
> January. Maybe Line 14 should be elaborated upon but it is quite clear.
>
> Edson S. Lott
> DSO-Marine Safety, 14th.Dist USCG Aux.
> VSC Chairman, Honolulu Power Squadron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Shaver" <keshaver@olympus.net>
> To: "Robert Miller" <boatsafe@comcast.net>; <hleahy142@adelphia.net>;
"'USPS
> VE Mailing List'" <ve-l@usps.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
>
>
> > Bob so where does that put WA.State?
> >
> >
> > At 05:22 PM 4/12/2006, Robert Miller wrote:
> > >All VEs,
> > >
> > >One caution to all VEs about what Hal has correctly stated. Many states
> have
> > >incorporated the bell requirement into their own regulations at the 12
> meter
> > >length. This requirement by states is not over ridden by any of the
> > >International or Federal changes unless the state also makes the
change.
> VEs
> > >need to be knowledgeable of their state regulations.
> > >
> > >Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: ve-l-admin@usps.org [mailto:ve-l-admin@usps.org] On Behalf Of
> > >hleahy142@adelphia.net
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:00 PM
> > >To: USPS VE Mailing List
> > >Subject: [ve-l] Inland Bell Requirement
> > >
> > >The USCG Auxiliary VE Department has published For Safety's Sake Vol II
> No.
> > >6. That is the departmental newsletter. On page 5 is an article
> "Clarifying
> > >The Bell Requirement:".
> > >
> > >*** start copy
> > >
> > >In response to a question regarding the need for a vessel more
> > >than 12 meters in length to carry a bell, W. Vann Burgess, PCB-2
> > >writes;
> > >
> > >"While this person is technically correct in that Rule 33(a) of the
> > >Inland Rules still states '... and a bell...' for vessels more than 12
> > >meters in length, the Rule is a moot point as a result of Rule 1(b)(ii)
> that
> > >states 'All vessels complying with the construction and equipment
> > >requirements of the International Regulations are considered to be in
> > >compliance with these Rules (Inland).'
> > >
> > >As a result of the change to Rule 33(a) of the COLREGS, and the impact
of
> > >Rule 1(b)(ii) of the Inland Rules, the Coast Guard (the governing body
of
> > >the Inland Rules) has decided that a vessel less than 20 meters in
length
> is
> > >no longer required to carry a bell on board, and no enforcement action
> will
> > >be taken against a vessel less than 20 meters in length for
requirements
> > >relating to the carriage of a bell. The reason Rule 33 (a) of the
Inland
> > >Rules has not been changed to reflect this position is due to the fact
> the
> > >Inland Rules are written into law (United States Code) and not
regulation
> > >(Code of Federal Regulations), thereby a change has required an action
by
> > >the Congress of the United States and not a simple regulatory change.
> Just
> > >recently the Coast Guard has been given authority by Congress to put
the
> > >Inland Rules into the Code of Federal Regulations and is in the early
> stages
> > >of a regulatory project.
> > >
> > >The bottom-line, a bell is no longer required on a vessel less than 20
> > >meters in length. That of course means a bell is not required for those
> same
> > >vessels for successful completion of a VSC."
> > >
> > >*** end copy
> > >
> > >Page 4 contains an article on doing Rental Boat Safety Checks.
> > >
> > >Hal Leahy
> > >Palm Beach S&PS
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >ve-l mailing list
> > >ve-l@usps.org
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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