From boatsafe at comcast.net Thu May 1 10:52:53 2008 From: boatsafe at comcast.net (Robert Miller) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 07:52:53 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] USPS Vessel Examiners - Action Request Message-ID: <005601c8ab9b$0aa8e2e0$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> To All USPS VEs: For years the Coast Guard had been operating the Boating Safety Hotline 800 number. That number was placed on our ANSC 7012 and earlier ANSC 204 forms and many other pieces of literature that has been distributed to the boating public. About a year ago the Coast Guard decided to drop the service. The phone company has reassigned the number to another customer. Would you please share with all other VEs and ask them to strike out the hot line 800 number. New ANSC 7012 forms will be printed without the 1-800 number. This is a big job and will require a positive attitude to get it completed. Please get the word out to all your VE's. Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, Original from P/R/C Neil McMillin, SN D/10 VSC Chair Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.usps.org/pipermail/ve-l/attachments/20080501/6e9f3e19/attachment-0001.html From boatsafe at comcast.net Thu May 8 17:49:54 2008 From: boatsafe at comcast.net (Robert Miller) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:49:54 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. Message-ID: <001101c8b155$7423d120$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> To all Vessel Examiners: Are you aware of the "I Want a VSC" tool at http://safetyseal.net/GetVSC/ where thousands of visitors are looking for a Vessel Safety Check each month? Go there and enter your ZIP Code and see who pops up. If you don't, then you need to sign up. You will also find a link to this site on the USPS VSC Home Page which reads "Click Here to Have Your Boat Checked" The "I Want a VSC" system is a volunteer system and volunteers must sign up themselves. The sign-up is on the National V Departments Members side of the site at http://safetyseal.net/GetVSC/EnterNewExaminer.asp or you can also get there from the USPS VSC Home page where is says "Register for the Online VE Locator" on the right hand menu. Please help spread the word to other examiners in your area too. And a note to currently listed volunteers. If you change your email address move to a different ZIP Code or drop out from being a vessel examiner, please send an email to webmaster at safetyseal.net to remove you from the I Want a VSC system. R/C Bob Miller USPS VSCCOM From plotz1819 at comcast.net Thu May 8 19:19:34 2008 From: plotz1819 at comcast.net (Tricia Lotz) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:19:34 -0500 Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. In-Reply-To: <001101c8b155$7423d120$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> Message-ID: <200805082328.m48NSDXj014864@usps.usps.org> Could you please respond to the program where VSEs are supposed to receive Inflatable Life Jackets? We are into the year and have not heard anything further about these. Not sure how to respond to questions from VSEs. Galveston Bay Sail and Power Squadron Vessel Safety Chair (281) 381-8255 -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Robert Miller Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:50 PM To: Tricia Lotz Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. To all Vessel Examiners: Are you aware of the "I Want a VSC" tool at http://safetyseal.net/GetVSC/ where thousands of visitors are looking for a Vessel Safety Check each month? Go there and enter your ZIP Code and see who pops up. If you don't, then you need to sign up. You will also find a link to this site on the USPS VSC Home Page which reads "Click Here to Have Your Boat Checked" The "I Want a VSC" system is a volunteer system and volunteers must sign up themselves. The sign-up is on the National V Departments Members side of the site at http://safetyseal.net/GetVSC/EnterNewExaminer.asp or you can also get there from the USPS VSC Home page where is says "Register for the Online VE Locator" on the right hand menu. Please help spread the word to other examiners in your area too. And a note to currently listed volunteers. If you change your email address move to a different ZIP Code or drop out from being a vessel examiner, please send an email to webmaster at safetyseal.net to remove you from the I Want a VSC system. R/C Bob Miller USPS VSCCOM _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 5:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 5:23 PM From boatsafe at comcast.net Thu May 8 22:38:04 2008 From: boatsafe at comcast.net (Robert Miller) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:38:04 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. References: <001101c8b155$7423d120$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> Message-ID: <001a01c8b17d$b8771760$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> Hello Tricia, There were 2 letters sent to every squadron in February explaining the Inflatable Life Jacket Loaner Program. The second letter said "please watch our Vessel Examiner web-site for more information as it becomes available." Before we can forecast shipping dates we need enough information from the Coast Guard and the supplier. Plus we have to have determined the shipping process, considering they are hazardous material due to the CO2 cartridges. Then we have to find the funding source for shipping them. The reason you have heard nothing further about the life jackets is don't have it all settled yet and we do not want to set expectations that we will not be able deliver on. I'm sorry we don't have better information than that but that is where we are. Best regards, R/C Bob Miller VSCCOM -----Original Message----- From: Tricia Lotz [mailto:plotz1819 at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:20 PM To: 'Robert Miller' Cc: 'Vessel Examiners Discussion Group'; keith_mcclaren at yahoo.com; 'Hamilton, Jean' Subject: RE: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. Could you please respond to the program where VSEs are supposed to receive Inflatable Life Jackets? We are into the year and have not heard anything further about these. Not sure how to respond to questions from VSEs. Galveston Bay Sail and Power Squadron Vessel Safety Chair (281) 381-8255 -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Robert Miller Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:50 PM To: Tricia Lotz Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. To all Vessel Examiners: Are you aware of the "I Want a VSC" tool at http://safetyseal.net/GetVSC/ where thousands of visitors are looking for a Vessel Safety Check each month? Go there and enter your ZIP Code and see who pops up. If you don't, then you need to sign up. You will also find a link to this site on the USPS VSC Home Page which reads "Click Here to Have Your Boat Checked" The "I Want a VSC" system is a volunteer system and volunteers must sign up themselves. The sign-up is on the National V Departments Members side of the site at http://safetyseal.net/GetVSC/EnterNewExaminer.asp or you can also get there from the USPS VSC Home page where is says "Register for the Online VE Locator" on the right hand menu. Please help spread the word to other examiners in your area too. And a note to currently listed volunteers. If you change your email address move to a different ZIP Code or drop out from being a vessel examiner, please send an email to webmaster at safetyseal.net to remove you from the I Want a VSC system. R/C Bob Miller USPS VSCCOM _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 5:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 5:23 PM From donkers at aps.anl.gov Fri May 9 07:27:10 2008 From: donkers at aps.anl.gov (Dave Donkers) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 06:27:10 -0500 Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. In-Reply-To: <001a01c8b17d$b8771760$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> References: <001101c8b155$7423d120$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> <001a01c8b17d$b8771760$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> Message-ID: <4824350E.80801@aps.anl.gov> Bob & all -- As an SEO, I've gotten word that they will be distributed to SEOs or Cdrs as they are all registered with National. The PFDs are also supposed to be used in the boating classes. Dave Donkers DuPage D/20 Robert Miller wrote: > Hello Tricia, > > There were 2 letters sent to every squadron in February explaining the > Inflatable Life Jacket Loaner Program. The second letter said "please watch > our Vessel Examiner web-site for more information as it becomes available." > Before we can forecast shipping dates we need enough information from the > Coast Guard and the supplier. Plus we have to have determined the shipping > process, considering they are hazardous material due to the CO2 cartridges. > Then we have to find the funding source for shipping them. The reason you > have heard nothing further about the life jackets is don't have it all > settled yet and we do not want to set expectations that we will not be able > deliver on. I'm sorry we don't have better information than that but that is > where we are. > > Best regards, > > R/C Bob Miller > VSCCOM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tricia Lotz [mailto:plotz1819 at comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:20 PM > To: 'Robert Miller' > Cc: 'Vessel Examiners Discussion Group'; keith_mcclaren at yahoo.com; > 'Hamilton, Jean' > Subject: RE: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. > > Could you please respond to the program where VSEs are supposed to receive > Inflatable Life Jackets? We are into the year and have not heard anything > further about these. Not sure how to respond to questions from VSEs. > > Galveston Bay Sail and Power Squadron > Vessel Safety Chair > (281) 381-8255 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of > Robert Miller > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:50 PM > To: Tricia Lotz > Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group > Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. > > > To all Vessel Examiners: > > Are you aware of the "I Want a VSC" tool at http://safetyseal.net/GetVSC/ > where thousands of visitors are looking for a Vessel Safety Check each > month? Go there and enter your ZIP Code and see who pops up. If you don't, > then you need to sign up. You will also find a link to this site on the USPS > VSC Home Page which reads "Click Here to Have Your Boat Checked" > > The "I Want a VSC" system is a volunteer system and volunteers must sign up > themselves. > > The sign-up is on the National V Departments Members side of the site at > http://safetyseal.net/GetVSC/EnterNewExaminer.asp or you can also get there > from the USPS VSC Home page where is says "Register for the Online VE > Locator" on the right hand menu. > > > Please help spread the word to other examiners in your area too. > > And a note to currently listed volunteers. If you change your email address > move to a different ZIP Code or drop out from being a vessel examiner, > please send an email to webmaster at safetyseal.net to remove you from the I > Want a VSC system. > > R/C Bob Miller > USPS VSCCOM > > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 > 5:23 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 > 5:23 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l From ShaunMcA at aol.com Fri May 9 21:57:06 2008 From: ShaunMcA at aol.com (ShaunMcA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:57:06 EDT Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. Message-ID: This is also the first I've heard of it! Shaun McArdle, VE San Diego Sail & Power Sq **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.usps.org/pipermail/ve-l/attachments/20080509/04dc4447/attachment.html From boatsafe at comcast.net Sat May 10 01:43:29 2008 From: boatsafe at comcast.net (Robert Miller) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:43:29 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003001c8b260$ca5c4bb0$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> Hi Shaun, Sorry you have not seen it before. It has been on the USPS VSC web site for several years and we have broadcast it to this list in the past. Bob _____ From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of ShaunMcA at aol.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:57 PM To: boatsafe at comcast.net Cc: keith_mcclaren at yahoo.com; ve-l at usps.org; jlhamilton at marathonoil.com Subject: Re: [ve-l] Register for the "I Want A VSC" tool. This is also the first I've heard of it! Shaun McArdle, VE San Diego Sail & Power Sq _____ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.usps.org/pipermail/ve-l/attachments/20080509/fd638b50/attachment-0001.html From julienp at comcast.net Tue May 20 11:01:29 2008 From: julienp at comcast.net (julienp at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:01:29 +0000 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number Message-ID: <052020081501.10360.4832E7C900048EE00000287822007623029F020A07049A06@comcast.net> We have been involved in an ongoing debate regarding whether to pass or fail a documented vessel that does not have the REQUIRED "No." in front of the number. It is clearly not "up to snuff," but should we fail a vessel? It is not a safety issue, obviously, and the Coast Guard and DNR have both acknowledged that they will not fine a boater without the abbreviation in front of the number. What would be an acceptable presentation? A permanent marker overlaid with epoxy? Painted on letters? Would you advocate that they have a new wooden plaque made and then attached before you would issue them a decal? I really could use some guidance here. Thank you, Julien Lt. Julien P. Hofberg, JN, VE, VSE Chairman Rockville Sail and Power Squadron -- Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain . . . From garyantonides at comcast.net Tue May 20 11:48:52 2008 From: garyantonides at comcast.net (Gary Antonides) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:48:52 -0400 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number References: <052020081501.10360.4832E7C900048EE00000287822007623029F020A07049A06@comcast.net> Message-ID: <015301c8ba91$01d3ef70$4138ff45@Gary> I had that situation yesterday. I feel that since it doesn't affect the safety of the boat, it's OK to issue the decal, PROVIDED the owner is advised of the exact requirement. I wonder if all USCG and DNR personnel would take the same approach (not fining someone for this). Gary Antonides, VSC Chair, Annapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Vessel Examiners Discussion Group" Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number > We have been involved in an ongoing debate regarding whether to pass or > fail a documented vessel that does not have the REQUIRED "No." in front of > the number. It is clearly not "up to snuff," but should we fail a vessel? > It is not a safety issue, obviously, and the Coast Guard and DNR have both > acknowledged that they will not fine a boater without the abbreviation in > front of the number. > > What would be an acceptable presentation? A permanent marker overlaid with > epoxy? Painted on letters? Would you advocate that they have a new wooden > plaque made and then attached before you would issue them a decal? > > I really could use some guidance here. > > Thank you, > Julien > > Lt. Julien P. Hofberg, JN, VE, VSE Chairman > Rockville Sail and Power Squadron > > > > -- > Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain . . . > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l From reuters at northernneck.com Tue May 20 11:55:10 2008 From: reuters at northernneck.com (The Reuters) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:55:10 -0400 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number In-Reply-To: <052020081501.10360.4832E7C900048EE00000287822007623029F020A07049A06@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c8ba91$e55f6e40$6501a8c0@reuterhome> Hi Julie, I think the marker would be a questionable one but in general I always pass them with out the NO prefix. If the CG is not citing them for violation (news to me) then an examiner should not hesitate to award a sticker. Also, as an examiner, I never use the words pass or fail to describe the end result of an exam. I prefer the answer in the upper right hand corner of the VSC form - Decal Awarded: Yes_ No_. I would like to see national also change the data collection fields and use the words describing the end result of a VE as used on the exam form. My 2 cents, Ray -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of julienp at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:01 AM To: Ray Reuter Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number We have been involved in an ongoing debate regarding whether to pass or fail a documented vessel that does not have the REQUIRED "No." in front of the number. It is clearly not "up to snuff," but should we fail a vessel? It is not a safety issue, obviously, and the Coast Guard and DNR have both acknowledged that they will not fine a boater without the abbreviation in front of the number. What would be an acceptable presentation? A permanent marker overlaid with epoxy? Painted on letters? Would you advocate that they have a new wooden plaque made and then attached before you would issue them a decal? I really could use some guidance here. Thank you, Julien Lt. Julien P. Hofberg, JN, VE, VSE Chairman Rockville Sail and Power Squadron -- Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain . . . _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l From richard at imaging-resources.com Tue May 20 12:18:40 2008 From: richard at imaging-resources.com (Richard) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:18:40 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number In-Reply-To: <000001c8ba91$e55f6e40$6501a8c0@reuterhome> References: <052020081501.10360.4832E7C900048EE00000287822007623029F020A07049A06@comcast.net> <000001c8ba91$e55f6e40$6501a8c0@reuterhome> Message-ID: <003901c8ba95$2b1ea060$815be120$@com> Sorry, the previous email got sent accidently without the following. In regards to documented vessels, there is no number visible. The state registration must be visible on the forward half of the hull if required by your state, but documentation number with or with the no. if front of it is permanently affixed to the hull, usually somewhere in the engine room or even on the underside of a stringer. There is not a requirement that I am aware of that the number must be visible as a state registration number is. The documented NAME of the vessel and its hailing port must be clearly visible and not covered by a dinghy. Richard P/C Richard Kay, JN Commander Seattle Sail and Power Squadron Vessel Safety Examiner "Boating is fun, We'll show you how" _________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of The Reuters Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:55 AM To: richard at imaging-resources.com Cc: 'Vessel Examiners Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number Hi Julie, I think the marker would be a questionable one but in general I always pass them with out the NO prefix. If the CG is not citing them for violation (news to me) then an examiner should not hesitate to award a sticker. Also, as an examiner, I never use the words pass or fail to describe the end result of an exam. I prefer the answer in the upper right hand corner of the VSC form - Decal Awarded: Yes_ No_. I would like to see national also change the data collection fields and use the words describing the end result of a VE as used on the exam form. My 2 cents, Ray -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of julienp at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:01 AM To: Ray Reuter Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number We have been involved in an ongoing debate regarding whether to pass or fail a documented vessel that does not have the REQUIRED "No." in front of the number. It is clearly not "up to snuff," but should we fail a vessel? It is not a safety issue, obviously, and the Coast Guard and DNR have both acknowledged that they will not fine a boater without the abbreviation in front of the number. What would be an acceptable presentation? A permanent marker overlaid with epoxy? Painted on letters? Would you advocate that they have a new wooden plaque made and then attached before you would issue them a decal? I really could use some guidance here. Thank you, Julien Lt. Julien P. Hofberg, JN, VE, VSE Chairman Rockville Sail and Power Squadron -- Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain . . . _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l From lisa.rick at comcast.net Tue May 20 12:54:30 2008 From: lisa.rick at comcast.net (lisa.rick at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:54:30 +0000 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number Message-ID: <052020081654.18422.48330245000EA7D3000047F62215568884050C079DD20E9C0704@comcast.net> Here's my take: I view the VSC as an opportunity to discuss safety issues, boater education, and USPS in general. If I get hardnosed on non-safety issues, I'm going to develop a reputation at my marina and people are going to decline the VSC. Then what have I accomplished? So, while I don't cut any slack on lifejackets, fire extinguishers, visual distress signals, bilge blower, etc., on non-safety items my policy is to fully inform the boater that the number display is not quite correct, or that the 3" hailing port lettering is not quite big enough, etc., and that someone who has to power to issue a citation could interpret the requirement strictly. And that the decal isn't a "get out of jail free card." Frankly, I question the value of including some things in a vessel SAFETY check. Rick Marinelli, AP Mid-Potomac Power Squadron -------------- Original message -------------- From: julienp at comcast.net > We have been involved in an ongoing debate regarding whether to pass or fail a > documented vessel that does not have the REQUIRED "No." in front of the number. > It is clearly not "up to snuff," but should we fail a vessel? It is not a safety > issue, obviously, and the Coast Guard and DNR have both acknowledged that they > will not fine a boater without the abbreviation in front of the number. > > What would be an acceptable presentation? A permanent marker overlaid with > epoxy? Painted on letters? Would you advocate that they have a new wooden plaque > made and then attached before you would issue them a decal? > > I really could use some guidance here. > > Thank you, > Julien > > Lt. Julien P. Hofberg, JN, VE, VSE Chairman > Rockville Sail and Power Squadron > > > > -- > Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain . . . > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.usps.org/pipermail/ve-l/attachments/20080520/f88d6fa8/attachment.html From kfredden at verizon.net Tue May 20 13:21:27 2008 From: kfredden at verizon.net (KevinR ) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:21:27 -0400 Subject: [ve-l] When to Issue The Decal (was: Display of ducumented number) In-Reply-To: <052020081654.18422.48330245000EA7D3000047F62215568884050C079DD20E9C0704@comcast.net> References: <052020081654.18422.48330245000EA7D3000047F62215568884050C079DD20E9C0704@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004e01c8ba9d$f031b380$d0951a80$@net> >----- Original Message -------- > So, while I don't cut any slack on lifejackets, fire extinguishers, > visual distress signals, bilge blower, etc., on non-safety items > my policy is to fully inform the boater that the number display > is not quite correct, or that the 3" hailing port lettering is > not quite big enough, etc., and that someone who has to power > to issue a citation could interpret the requirement strictly.? Since when did the rules of the VSC program get changed to allow a VE to make up their own rules and decide what they would include and what they could ignore in giving out the decal? If each VE were to take it upon themselves to decide the rules of the program, the value of the program would disappear. A VE who does not follow the book and instead awards the decal while knowing that the boat doesn't meet the requirements is doing both the program and the boater, their customer, a disservice. This is not about trying to be a nice guy and give someone a decal even if the boat doesn't qualify, it is about helping boaters get a boat that meets ALL requirements, not just the ones an individual VE thinks are important. If you are going to do the job of a VE - do it right, as outlined in the manual. Kevin From Rogers2013 at aol.com Tue May 20 14:43:21 2008 From: Rogers2013 at aol.com (Rogers2013 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:43:21 EDT Subject: [ve-l] When to Issue The Decal (was: Display of ducumented number) Message-ID: I agree with Kevin on this one. Don't change the rules to be "a nice guy" BUT don't be a "hard-nose" either. In my area courtesy sets us apart from the USCGAs approach. On the owner's copy of the Exam is the block for your phone number. Tell him/her that they need to fix the problem first and then contact you so that you can award them the decal. We're here to help NOT prosecute. USPS is for Safety AND Education. Pat Rogers, Arrowhead S&PS **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.usps.org/pipermail/ve-l/attachments/20080520/acbc3669/attachment.html From richard at imaging-resources.com Tue May 20 15:07:45 2008 From: richard at imaging-resources.com (Richard) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:07:45 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] When to Issue The Decal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008c01c8baac$c9b3e390$5d1baab0$@com> I agree with that. Tell him/her that they need to fix the problem first and then contact you so that you can award them the decal. That is the approach I take with any exam that does not pass for any reason. As I stated in my original email, in Seattle, the Coast Guard mandates that the boat registration numbers be correct due to the security alerts on our Ferry Boats. It's quite a sight to see their high speed patrol boats heading straight for you with their 50cal guns trained on you. Flares used to be the number one reason for boats not being awarded the decal, now its Cdr Richard Kay, JN Seattle Sail & Power Squadron Vessel Safety Examiner _______________________________________________________________ From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Rogers2013 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:43 AM To: richard at imaging-resources.com Cc: ve-l at usps.org Subject: Re: [ve-l] When to Issue The Decal (was: Display of ducumented number) I agree with Kevin on this one. Don't change the rules to be "a nice guy" BUT don't be a "hard-nose" either. In my area courtesy sets us apart from the USCGAs approach. On the owner's copy of the Exam is the block for your phone number. Tell him/her that they need to fix the problem first and then contact you so that you can award them the decal. We're here to help NOT prosecute. USPS is for Safety AND Education. Pat Rogers, Arrowhead S&PS _____ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.usps.org/pipermail/ve-l/attachments/20080520/4a54cd67/attachment-0001.html From lisa.rick at comcast.net Tue May 20 18:46:15 2008 From: lisa.rick at comcast.net (Rick and Lisa Marinelli) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:46:15 -0400 Subject: [ve-l] When to Issue The Decal (was: Display of documented number) In-Reply-To: <004e01c8ba9d$f031b380$d0951a80$@net> Message-ID: Sorry, but I don't think such a rigid attitude promotes boating safety in general. I must assume that you carry a ruler and measure every set of documentation numbers to be sure they aren't 1/16" below the minimum 3" height, and withhold the decal if they are. I know that I can't tell without a ruler. Or do you eyeball the numbers and figure "close enough?" Rick -----Original Message----- From: KevinR [mailto:kfredden at verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:21 PM To: lisa.rick at comcast.net Cc: ve-l at usps.org Subject: When to Issue The Decal (was: Display of ducumented number) >----- Original Message -------- > So, while I don't cut any slack on lifejackets, fire extinguishers, > visual distress signals, bilge blower, etc., on non-safety items > my policy is to fully inform the boater that the number display > is not quite correct, or that the 3" hailing port lettering is > not quite big enough, etc., and that someone who has to power > to issue a citation could interpret the requirement strictly.? Since when did the rules of the VSC program get changed to allow a VE to make up their own rules and decide what they would include and what they could ignore in giving out the decal? If each VE were to take it upon themselves to decide the rules of the program, the value of the program would disappear. A VE who does not follow the book and instead awards the decal while knowing that the boat doesn't meet the requirements is doing both the program and the boater, their customer, a disservice. This is not about trying to be a nice guy and give someone a decal even if the boat doesn't qualify, it is about helping boaters get a boat that meets ALL requirements, not just the ones an individual VE thinks are important. If you are going to do the job of a VE - do it right, as outlined in the manual. Kevin From hframbow at verizon.net Tue May 20 18:23:36 2008 From: hframbow at verizon.net (Herbert Rambow) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:23:36 -0400 Subject: [ve-l] Help re Documented Vessels References: Message-ID: <000e01c8bac8$25ccbf60$2d01a8c0@mycomputer> We have a 'debate' ongoing within District V re: proper checkoff on "Item 1 = Display of Numbers" for a Documented Vessel. Is it "N/A" because the "NO. 123456" isn't visible from the exterior (even though it's properly and permanently marked in the hull)? Or is it "Yes" when everything is in order, including the Vessel Name, and Home or Hailing Port? I noticed that this was not addressed in the recent barrage over the "NO." prefix in Digest Vol 14, Issue 3. P/C Herb Rambow Hampton Roads, VA From hleahy142 at comcast.net Tue May 20 21:31:46 2008 From: hleahy142 at comcast.net (hleahy142 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 01:31:46 +0000 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number Message-ID: <052120080131.7311.48337B820004467300001C8F2216525856CDCBCE97080E0A0408@comcast.net> I checked the USCG Auxiliary Q&A database (search term = document) and they have answered this exact question. **** start copy Documentation Number Display, posted: 4/1/2008 Question: 46CFR67.121 requires that the documentation number preceded by "NO." be placed on the interior of the vessel, etc. The USCG National Vessel Documentation Center has confirmed the requirement. A number of 25- to 30-foot sailing vessels at the Naval Base Sailing Center in our area correctly display the number, except for the "NO.". Many of the boat owners have ornate in-letted plaques fastened per the CFRs, except for the "NO." and don't understand why we are so "Picky" as long as the number on the vessel and the USCG Record of Doucumentation are the same. The owners are all active or retired military and extremely responsible. Can we use our judgment re award of the safety decal in these cases? Answer: No. As clearly stated in the Code of Federal Regulations, the official documentation number that is required to be permanently marked on a visible structural part of the vessel must be preceeded by the abbreviation for number "No.". If a vessel owner received a VSC decal and later received a violation citation from a Coast Guard boarding officer or other boating law enforcement officer, the credibility of the Vessel Examiner as well as the entire VSC program would be called into question by the boater as well as the Coast Guard and other boating law administrators. We are not being "picky". We are educating the boating public as to the federal, state, and local boating regulations. The CFR's are not open to "judgement" calls by Vessel Examiners. The respect for the entire VSC program depends on the consistent application of these regulations when awarding a VSC decal. George R Bores BC-VTR *** end copy The Q&A Database can be found at http://safetyseal.net/QandA.asp Hal Leahy Palm Beach S&PS From lisa.rick at comcast.net Tue May 20 21:56:37 2008 From: lisa.rick at comcast.net (Lisa and Rick Marinelli) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:56:37 -0400 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number In-Reply-To: <052120080131.7311.48337B820004467300001C8F2216525856CDCBCE97080E0A0408@comcast.net> Message-ID: Then I pose the same question to you that I posted earlier. Do you measure the height of the numbers, or do you eyeball them? If they are 1/16" too short, do you withhold the decal? -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org]On Behalf Of hleahy142 at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: Rick Marinelli Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group Subject: Re: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number I checked the USCG Auxiliary Q&A database (search term = document) and they have answered this exact question. **** start copy Documentation Number Display, posted: 4/1/2008 Question: 46CFR67.121 requires that the documentation number preceded by "NO." be placed on the interior of the vessel, etc. The USCG National Vessel Documentation Center has confirmed the requirement. A number of 25- to 30-foot sailing vessels at the Naval Base Sailing Center in our area correctly display the number, except for the "NO.". Many of the boat owners have ornate in-letted plaques fastened per the CFRs, except for the "NO." and don't understand why we are so "Picky" as long as the number on the vessel and the USCG Record of Doucumentation are the same. The owners are all active or retired military and extremely responsible. Can we use our judgment re award of the safety decal in these cases? Answer: No. As clearly stated in the Code of Federal Regulations, the official documentation number that is required to be permanently marked on a visible structural part of the vessel must be preceeded by the abbreviation for number "No.". If a vessel owner received a VSC decal and later received a violation citation from a Coast Guard boarding officer or other boating law enforcement officer, the credibility of the Vessel Examiner as well as the entire VSC program would be called into question by the boater as well as the Coast Guard and other boating law administrators. We are not being "picky". We are educating the boating public as to the federal, state, and local boating regulations. The CFR's are not open to "judgement" calls by Vessel Examiners. The respect for the entire VSC program depends on the consistent application of these regulations when awarding a VSC decal. George R Bores BC-VTR *** end copy The Q&A Database can be found at http://safetyseal.net/QandA.asp Hal Leahy Palm Beach S&PS _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l From lisa.rick at comcast.net Tue May 20 22:01:20 2008 From: lisa.rick at comcast.net (Lisa and Rick Marinelli) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:01:20 -0400 Subject: [ve-l] Help re Documented Vessels In-Reply-To: <000e01c8bac8$25ccbf60$2d01a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: If I understand your question, the answer is "yes." "No. 123456" permanently marked on a structural part of the interior of the boat in at least 3" lettering is a proper display of the numbers for that boat. Rick -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org]On Behalf Of Herbert Rambow Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:24 PM To: Rick Marinelli Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group Subject: Re: [ve-l] Help re Documented Vessels We have a 'debate' ongoing within District V re: proper checkoff on "Item 1 = Display of Numbers" for a Documented Vessel. Is it "N/A" because the "NO. 123456" isn't visible from the exterior (even though it's properly and permanently marked in the hull)? Or is it "Yes" when everything is in order, including the Vessel Name, and Home or Hailing Port? I noticed that this was not addressed in the recent barrage over the "NO." prefix in Digest Vol 14, Issue 3. P/C Herb Rambow Hampton Roads, VA _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l From rcalbers at bellsouth.net Tue May 20 22:14:24 2008 From: rcalbers at bellsouth.net (Bob Albers) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:14:24 -0500 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number In-Reply-To: <015301c8ba91$01d3ef70$4138ff45@Gary> References: <052020081501.10360.4832E7C900048EE00000287822007623029F020A07049A06@comcast.net> <015301c8ba91$01d3ef70$4138ff45@Gary> Message-ID: Considering that some DNR agencies are more concerned with revenue aspects, it would be well advised to inform the boaters about the "letter of the law". Bob A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Antonides" To: "Bob Albers" Cc: "Vessel Examiners Discussion Group" Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number >I had that situation yesterday. I feel that since it doesn't affect the > safety of the boat, it's OK to issue the decal, PROVIDED the owner is > advised of the exact requirement. > > I wonder if all USCG and DNR personnel would take the same approach (not > fining someone for this). > > Gary Antonides, VSC Chair, Annapolis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: "Vessel Examiners Discussion Group" > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:01 AM > Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number > > >> We have been involved in an ongoing debate regarding whether to pass or >> fail a documented vessel that does not have the REQUIRED "No." in front >> of >> the number. It is clearly not "up to snuff," but should we fail a vessel? >> It is not a safety issue, obviously, and the Coast Guard and DNR have >> both >> acknowledged that they will not fine a boater without the abbreviation in >> front of the number. >> >> What would be an acceptable presentation? A permanent marker overlaid >> with >> epoxy? Painted on letters? Would you advocate that they have a new wooden >> plaque made and then attached before you would issue them a decal? >> >> I really could use some guidance here. >> >> Thank you, >> Julien >> >> Lt. Julien P. Hofberg, JN, VE, VSE Chairman >> Rockville Sail and Power Squadron >> >> >> >> -- >> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain . . . >> _______________________________________________ >> ve-l mailing list >> ve-l at usps.org >> http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l > > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l From richard at imaging-resources.com Tue May 20 12:12:21 2008 From: richard at imaging-resources.com (Richard) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:12:21 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number In-Reply-To: <015301c8ba91$01d3ef70$4138ff45@Gary> References: <052020081501.10360.4832E7C900048EE00000287822007623029F020A07049A06@comcast.net> <015301c8ba91$01d3ef70$4138ff45@Gary> Message-ID: <003301c8ba94$49710950$dc531bf0$@com> Hello All It is not too often I weigh in on an issue, but here in Seattle, the Coast Guard is adamant about the vessel registration numbers and their display. I am attaching the document that was issued by the Coast Guard for issuing VSC decals. If the Numbers are NOT displayed correctly we are not to issue the decal. There is a large presence of Coast Guard here in Seattle patrolling the waters due to the threat against the largest ferry system in the United States. If they are not able to clearly read the numbers they will board you! That means the spaces are adequate between the WN [your state] the numbers and the space after between the following letters. I personally DO NOT issue the decal until the numbers are changed. For us here it IS a safety issue. P/C Richard Kay, JN Commander Seattle Sail and Power Squadron Vessel Safety Examiner "Boating is fun, We'll show you how" _________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Gary Antonides Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:49 AM To: richard at imaging-resources.com Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group Subject: Re: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number I had that situation yesterday. I feel that since it doesn't affect the safety of the boat, it's OK to issue the decal, PROVIDED the owner is advised of the exact requirement. I wonder if all USCG and DNR personnel would take the same approach (not fining someone for this). Gary Antonides, VSC Chair, Annapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Vessel Examiners Discussion Group" Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number > We have been involved in an ongoing debate regarding whether to pass or > fail a documented vessel that does not have the REQUIRED "No." in front of > the number. It is clearly not "up to snuff," but should we fail a vessel? > It is not a safety issue, obviously, and the Coast Guard and DNR have both > acknowledged that they will not fine a boater without the abbreviation in > front of the number. > > What would be an acceptable presentation? A permanent marker overlaid with > epoxy? Painted on letters? Would you advocate that they have a new wooden > plaque made and then attached before you would issue them a decal? > > I really could use some guidance here. > > Thank you, > Julien > > Lt. Julien P. Hofberg, JN, VE, VSE Chairman > Rockville Sail and Power Squadron > > > > -- > Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain . . . > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.usps.org/pipermail/ve-l/attachments/20080520/fbd1b922/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Display of Vessel Registration Numbers.doc Type: application/msword Size: 32768 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.usps.org/pipermail/ve-l/attachments/20080520/fbd1b922/attachment-0001.doc From boatsafe at comcast.net Wed May 21 02:34:08 2008 From: boatsafe at comcast.net (Robert Miller) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:34:08 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] Display of documented number In-Reply-To: References: <052020081501.10360.4832E7C900048EE00000287822007623029F020A07049A06@comcast.net><015301c8ba91$01d3ef70$4138ff45@Gary> Message-ID: <007201c8bb0c$ad12a0e0$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> All Vessel Examiners, Thank you all who have taken an active part in this discussion. I know VEs put a lot their life energy into helping the boating public and I cannot adequately express my appreciation for your dedication. I understand how reasonable people can have varying opinions on a given subject. However the Vessel Safety Check program is not intended to be subject to, nor does it lend itself to, local or personal interpretation. Therefore, an official position on this is needed, please read below. VEs must adhere to the letter of the requirements. These are defined by the VSC Manual and the Errata & Explanations Pages available on the USPS VSC web site along with any leeway or interpretations that have been authorized. This is all published on the "Policies - USPS/USCG" page on the USPS national VSC web site. Additional leeway/exception or interpretation in any area must be adjudicated by the appropriate USCG authority before it can be put into practice. When other guidance is available it will be appended to this listing. New issues, possibly needing clarification or interpretation by the USCG should be brought to the USPS National VSC Committee for review and discussion with the USCG representatives. I hope this helps all you hard working VEs with your efforts. Please keep on saving lives out there. Thanks. Best Regards, R/C Bob Miller VSC Committee ...forwards deleted From hleahy142 at comcast.net Wed May 21 08:19:17 2008 From: hleahy142 at comcast.net (hleahy142 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:19:17 +0000 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number Message-ID: <052120081219.12002.48341345000E6D8A00002EE22216557996CDCBCE97080E0A0408@comcast.net> In answer to your twice asked question I refer you to the same source as earlier, the USCG Auxiliary Q&A database (search keyword = numbers). ***** start copy The numbers are a fraction of an inch smaller than required, can I issue a decal, posted: 8/18/2003 Question: Everything was OK with the boat I did a VSC on including the spacing and contrasting colors of the numbers, but I measured the stick on numbers and they are just a small fraction of an inch smaller than three inches. The numbers can be seen clearly from over 100 feet away. Can I award the decal? Answer: Yes, If all the other criteria have been met, and the numbers are just a small fraction of an inch smaller than three inches but clearly visible at 100 feet, you may award the decal. (Sometimes those stick on numbers are printed just a tiny bit smaller than three inches.) See this document for further guidance: http://safetyseal.net/pdf_files/numbering.pdf *** end copy -- Hal Leahy Palm Beach S&PS -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Lisa and Rick Marinelli" > Then I pose the same question to you that I posted earlier. Do you measure > the height of the numbers, or do you eyeball them? If they are 1/16" too > short, do you withhold the decal? From lisa.rick at comcast.net Wed May 21 08:54:55 2008 From: lisa.rick at comcast.net (lisa.rick at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:54:55 +0000 Subject: [ve-l] Display of ducumented number Message-ID: <052120081254.27471.48341B9F0001675900006B4F2215555884050C079DD20E9C0704@comcast.net> Thank you. This confirms my contention that some common sense judgment on the part of the VE is not only reasonable, but expected. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the original discussion, and my comments, were in regard to DOCUMENTATION numbers, not REGISTRATION numbers. -------------- Original message -------------- From: hleahy142 at comcast.net > In answer to your twice asked question I refer you to the same source as > earlier, the USCG Auxiliary Q&A database (search keyword = numbers). > > ***** start copy > > The numbers are a fraction of an inch smaller than required, can I issue a > decal, posted: 8/18/2003 > > Question: Everything was OK with the boat I did a VSC on including the spacing > and contrasting colors of the numbers, but I measured the stick on numbers and > they are just a small fraction of an inch smaller than three inches. The numbers > can be seen clearly from over 100 feet away. Can I award the decal? > > Answer: Yes, If all the other criteria have been met, and the numbers are just a > small fraction of an inch smaller than three inches but clearly visible at 100 > feet, you may award the decal. (Sometimes those stick on numbers are printed > just a tiny bit smaller than three inches.) > > See this document for further guidance: > > http://safetyseal.net/pdf_files/numbering.pdf > > *** end copy > > > -- > Hal Leahy > Palm Beach S&PS > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Lisa and Rick Marinelli" > > Then I pose the same question to you that I posted earlier. Do you measure > > the height of the numbers, or do you eyeball them? If they are 1/16" too > > short, do you withhold the decal? > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chasse (P) D19 Ch/VSC/Com From boatsafe at comcast.net Wed May 28 09:59:05 2008 From: boatsafe at comcast.net (Robert Miller) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:59:05 -0700 Subject: [ve-l] VSC On-Line Exam In-Reply-To: <200805281018.m4SAIJMg004854@proofpoint3.metrocast.net> References: <200805281018.m4SAIJMg004854@proofpoint3.metrocast.net> Message-ID: <000f01c8c0ca$fe9a21e0$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> Lee, Each time a person takes the online VE exam it is a different set of questions drawn from a database of about 200 questions. The whole exam process is hosted for us by the CG Auxiliary and there is no printed version of the database available. Bob -----Original Message----- From: ve-l-bounces at usps.org [mailto:ve-l-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Lee Chasse Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:18 AM To: boatsafe at comcast.net Cc: Vessel Examiners Discussion Group Subject: [ve-l] VSC On-Line Exam Ahoy All, Is there a source where the actual VSC test could be down-loaded for review purposes? The reason is that I had a question asked about a question on the test and the only way I could verify and answer the question was by going to the on-line exam area, signing in and finding the question. There must be an easier way. Thanks Lee Lee R. Chasse (P) D19 Ch/VSC/Com _______________________________________________ ve-l mailing list ve-l at usps.org http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l From cdr2002 at mchsi.com Wed May 28 10:21:59 2008 From: cdr2002 at mchsi.com (Kent) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:21:59 -0500 Subject: [ve-l] VSC On-Line Exam References: <200805281018.m4SAIJMg004854@proofpoint3.metrocast.net> Message-ID: Lee On the oder foem you can order a written test http://www.usps.org/national/vsc/formtool_files/vscorderform.pdf 02-22-100 Vessel Safety Check Exams (Limit 1) Kent Simpson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Chasse" To: Cc: "Vessel Examiners Discussion Group" Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:18 AM Subject: [ve-l] VSC On-Line Exam > Ahoy All, > > Is there a source where the actual VSC test could be down-loaded for > review purposes? > > The reason is that I had a question asked about a question on the > test and the only way I could verify and answer the question was by > going to the on-line exam area, signing in and finding the question. > There must be an easier way. > > Thanks > > Lee > > Lee R. Chasse (P) > D19 Ch/VSC/Com > > > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l > From r2pmhp at mindspring.com Thu May 29 18:06:00 2008 From: r2pmhp at mindspring.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: [ve-l] Display of documented number References: <052020081501.10360.4832E7C900048EE00000287822007623029F020A07049A06@comcast.net><015301c8ba91$01d3ef70$4138ff45@Gary> <007201c8bb0c$ad12a0e0$6500a8c0@epoxkitchen> Message-ID: <010701c8c1d8$2dde76f0$0501a8c0@Dell9300laptop> Bob, Once again, I thank you for providing official and clarifying info to all the VEs. We all need to be reminded from time to time about our role as these general discussions need to have a point of completion and end speculation on the USPS policy. There still seems to be some confusion about the two types of numbers displayed. The requirements for affixing state registration numbers in contrasting letters on the forward part of a vessel is quite separate from the permanently fixed documentation numbers on a significant hull member. I know we will have to keep reminding folks. Thanks, Bob Palmer Chesapeake-Erie Regional Rep ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Miller" To: Cc: "Vessel Examiners Discussion Group" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [ve-l] Display of documented number > All Vessel Examiners, > > Thank you all who have taken an active part in this discussion. I know VEs > put a lot their life energy into helping the boating public and I cannot > adequately express my appreciation for your dedication. > > I understand how reasonable people can have varying opinions on a given > subject. However the Vessel Safety Check program is not intended to be > subject to, nor does it lend itself to, local or personal interpretation. > Therefore, an official position on this is needed, please read below. > > VEs must adhere to the letter of the requirements. These are defined by > the > VSC Manual and the Errata & Explanations Pages available on the USPS VSC > web > site along with any leeway or interpretations that have been authorized. > This is all published on the "Policies - USPS/USCG" page on the USPS > national VSC web site. Additional leeway/exception or interpretation in > any > area must be adjudicated by the appropriate USCG authority before it can > be > put into practice. When other guidance is available it will be appended to > this listing. New issues, possibly needing clarification or interpretation > by the USCG should be brought to the USPS National VSC Committee for > review > and discussion with the USCG representatives. > > I hope this helps all you hard working VEs with your efforts. Please keep > on > saving lives out there. Thanks. > > Best Regards, > > R/C Bob Miller > VSC Committee > > ...forwards deleted > > _______________________________________________ > ve-l mailing list > ve-l at usps.org > http://www.usps.org/mailman/listinfo/ve-l >