[Webmaster_forum] This date thing is now way out of control
Peter Ubillos
ubillosp@earthlink.net
Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:19:43 -0400
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Nicely put.
Have you noticed how many old dates there are on the USPS National website.
And, broken links.
Peter Ubillos
Boca Ciega Sail and Power Squadron
1999 Georgia Cir. S.
Clearwater, FL 33760-1728
Phone/FAX (727) 538-3001
email: ubillosp@earthlink.net
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From: webmaster_forum-admin@usps.org [mailto:webmaster_forum-admin@usps.org]
On Behalf Of Dave Schuppert
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:48 PM
To: webmaster_forum@usps.org
Subject: [Webmaster_forum] This date thing is now way out of control
This date thing is now way out of control. Do you know of any other USPS
position where you can be publicly humiliated because you don't respond on a
24/7 basis. How many of you have waited days, weeks, even months to get a
response from elected USPS officers? Do they get chastised? No, they get
promoted.
As a webmaster, and in accordance with the new rules, you could be singled
out by an appointed few for a "reduction in points" if your site contains A
SINGLE DATE THAT IS ONE DAY OLD.
Were you told when you took the job of webmaster that you could bring
embarrassment to your squadron if you took a vacation during the evaluation
period and failed to keep a 24/7 website vigil?
Common sense has proven NOT to be applied during the evaluations. I
maintain 8 of the Districts Squadron websites. They are exact clones of each
other. There was a 43 point spread between evaluations of those sites. 2
were not graded because they linked to a page
with an automated "Last updated" date which was not under their control to
change but was beyond the 90 day time limit.
And the "decision of the judges is final", no matter how flawed.
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New Guide Lines:
The no tolerance situation concerns the websites qualification to be
considered in the current Webawards program. The evaluation sheet indicates
that if the website is over 30 days out of date that it will not be
evaluated. Less than 30 days will result in a reduction of the points
awarded.
From: WMMILLER@aol.com
To: usps-webmasters@usps.org, webmaster_forum@usps.org
Subject: [USPS-Webmasters] Website Requirement #11
Many websites have an entire year long calendar of events displayed. That
is certainly allowed in this rule, as long as there is some indication of
what events have already transpired. Many websites have come up with
innovative means to make such a distinction.
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Since there is no directive that this indication must be on a line item
basis, placing an automated date at the top of the page and a reminder that
anything earlier than that is a "past event" should fulfill the some
indication requirements. Also: Using calendars from publications excludes
the calendar from time limit disqualification. Example:
http://dwsmark.com/Clients/CalEx.htm
I agree that some regulation on material needs to be imposed, but these new
requirements have gone full scale the other way. They do not take into
considerations Squadrons and Districts who require ExComm approval for ALL
website changes. Not all changes will be made the night of the event.
During the summer there could be a 60 day lag between meetings. I feel that
the 90 day rule would best suit the "proof of abandonment" which this rule
was meant to catch. Anything else can only be considered a tool for
examiners to use so they can avoid evaluation the site. ORIGINALLY, these
evaluations were designed to HELP webmasters by pointing out areas for
improvement. Stopping the evaluation base on one item does not fulfill
these goals. A site with a submitted evaluation form is helpful even if it
is found ineligible for an award.
dave schuppert
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> webmaster_forum-admin@usps.org =
[mailto:webmaster_forum-admin@usps.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave=20
Schuppert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 15, 2005 3:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
webmaster_forum@usps.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Webmaster_forum] This date =
thing is=20
now way out of control<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT size=3D2>This date thing is now way out of =
control. Do you=20
know of any other USPS position where you can be publicly humiliated =
because you=20
don't respond on a 24/7 basis. How many of you have waited days, =
weeks,=20
even months to get a response from elected USPS officers? Do they =
get=20
chastised? No, they get promoted. <BR><BR>As a webmaster, and in =
accordance with=20
the new rules, you could be singled out by an <I>appointed few</I> for a =
"reduction in points" if your site contains A SINGLE DATE THAT IS <U>ONE =
DAY=20
OLD</U>. <BR><BR>Were you told when you took the job of webmaster =
that you=20
could bring </FONT>embarrassment<FONT size=3D2> to your squadron if you =
took a=20
vacation during the evaluation period and failed to keep a 24/7 website =
vigil?=20
<BR><BR><I>Common sense</I> has proven NOT to be applied during the=20
evaluations. I maintain 8 of the Districts Squadron websites. They =
are=20
exact clones of each other. There was a <B>43</B> point spread between=20
evaluations of those sites. 2 were not graded because they =
<U>linked</U>=20
to a page <BR>with an automated "Last updated" date which was =
<I>not</I>=20
under their control to change but was beyond the 90 day time limit. =
<BR><BR>And=20
the "<I>decision of the judges is final</I>", no matter how=20
flawed.<BR><BR>***************************************************<BR>New=
Guide=20
Lines:<BR></FONT><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>The no tolerance =
situation concerns=20
the websites qualification to be considered in the current Webawards=20
program. The evaluation sheet indicates that if the website is =
over 30=20
days out of date that it will not be evaluated. <U>Less than 30 =
days will=20
result in a reduction of the points awarded.<BR><BR></U></FONT>From:=20
WMMILLER@aol.com<BR>To: usps-webmasters@usps.org,=20
webmaster_forum@usps.org<BR>Subject: [USPS-Webmasters] Website =
Requirement=20
#11<BR><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Many websites have an entire =
year long=20
calendar of events displayed. That is certainly allowed in this =
rule, as=20
long as there is <I>some indication</I> of what events have already=20
transpired. Many websites have come up with innovative means to =
make such=20
a distinction. =20
<BR><BR>********************************<BR><BR></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2>Since there=20
is no directive that this indication must be on a line item basis, =
placing=20
an automated date at the top of the page and a reminder that anything =
earlier=20
than that is a<I> "past event" </I>should<I> </I>fulfill the =
<I>some=20
indication</I> requirements. Also: Using calendars from =
publications=20
excludes the calendar from time limit disqualification. Example: =
<A=20
href=3D"http://dwsmark.com/Clients/CalEx.htm"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">http://dwsmark.com/Clients/CalEx.htm<BR><BR></A>I =
agree that=20
some regulation on material needs to be imposed, but these new =
requirements have=20
gone full scale the other way. They do not take into considerations =
Squadrons=20
and Districts who require ExComm approval for ALL website changes. =
Not all=20
changes will be made the night of the event. During the summer there =
could be a=20
60 day lag between meetings. I feel that the 90 day rule would best suit =
the=20
"<I>proof of abandonment</I>" which this rule was meant to catch. =
Anything=20
else can only be considered a tool for examiners to use so they can =
avoid=20
evaluation the site. ORIGINALLY, these evaluations were designed =
to HELP=20
webmasters by pointing out areas for improvement. Stopping the =
evaluation=20
base on one item does not fulfill these goals. A site with a submitted=20
evaluation form is helpful even if it is found ineligible for an award.=20
<BR><BR>dave schuppert<BR></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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