[Webmaster_forum] Webmaster_Forum Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2
WMMILLER at aol.com
WMMILLER at aol.com
Sat May 19 00:12:31 EDT 2007
Leo, thanks for your words of wisdom. As you may have already realized
there is a page of graphics available at _www.usps.org/lc/d31/USPSlogos.htm_
(http://www.usps.org/lc/d31/USPSlogos.htm)
You are also correct that the America's Boating Club is just a logo and not
a graphic. The page of graphics includes samples of graphics that are being
used by some of the other websites. They are all ok to meet the logo
requirement. It appears the logo was developed at the 90th anniversary of USPS as
it appears in the header of that page of the USPS website.
We can certainly develope aids as desired by various webmasters. We just
need input from others to solve the request.
Glad you with us.
Bill Miller
Web Site Coordinator, USPS
In a message dated 5/18/2007 12:09:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
leo at leoloeb.com writes:
This is my first day on the forum - quite a start.
May I suggest that everyone try and keep some perspective.
I took over as webmaster for www.gbsps.org late last year and found the
award as a useful tool to help address priorities. Unfortunately my
schedule and the review process were not in synch and we bombed the award.
There are areas where I feel the Award is making artistic judgments which I
don't support and have chosen to ignore. I believe the premise of the sward
is sound and that a forum offers a collaborate resource to the webmasters -
each other.
Suggestions:
1) Offer an ftp site of:
A) web elements (both graphic and technical [code] that are
appropriate for the Squadron sites. America's Boating Club is the topic
which has annoyed everyone today, my opinion is that there is no standard
and that what is being expressed is that only the words are desired.
B) .EPS files of the original artwork for quality print production
of the elements. All the graphic elements start-out as Illustrator/EPS
files, find them and make available.
2) Move or establish a web-based forum where all the correspondence is
retained / readily available for all to see. If national is not interested,
one of the Squadrons could host.
3) We should be able to use the forum for collaboration - again, why
recreate the wheel.
The Power Squadron has many great attributes which is why we give our time,
money and energy. If we can be constructive and effect changes to the
organization's short-comings everyone will win.
Leo Loeb, SN
Webmaster, www.gbsps.org
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1. Re: 2007 Web Rules (Glen Sherman)
2. Re: 2007 Web Rules (WMMILLER at aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:34:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Glen Sherman" <pbpsus at excite.com>
Subject: Re: [Webmaster_forum] 2007 Web Rules
To: webmaster_forum at usps.org
Cc: two way communication for webmasters <webmaster_forum at usps.org>
Message-ID: <20070516173419.BBD474AFAC at xprdmxin.myway.com>
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I am fowarding this to the forum so everyone can read it.Glen--- On Wed
05/16, Jeffrey.Wise < Jeffrey.Wise at comcast.net > wrote:From:
Jeffrey.Wise [mailto: Jeffrey.Wise at comcast.net]To: webmaster at pbps.usDate:
Wed, 16 May 2007 10:03:40 -0400Subject: RE: [Webmaster_forum] 2007 Web Rules
Well said, Glen. I share your frustration with the national ITCom,
especially as it relates to our web sites. They seem much more interested
in enforcing their own rules and objectives than in helping squadron and
district webmasters. My squadron and district sites consistently win
Website awards, but I am one of the most vocal opponents of the award
program because it does more to drive volunteer webmasters always than it
does to encourage/help them. We've now lost three because of their
irritation with the program. Until the powers-to-be in the ITCom change, I
don't have much optimism for any positive change. P/C Jeff Wise, NAtlanta
and D-17 webmaster
-----Original Message-----From: webmaster_forum-bounces at usps.org
[mailto:webmaster_forum-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Glen ShermanSent:
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:53 AMTo: jeff at usps-atlanta.orgCc: two way
communication for webmastersSubject: [Webmaster_forum] 2007 Web Rules
If we have a group email for webmasters, why can't ITCom send out new
graphics that should be used, the new VSC sticker when it is available,
changes to trademark, disclaimer or privacy statements when they are updated
and more? We have a way to share information, but we never share any, just
instructions about what webmasters should include without resources. I do
not link to the national privacy, disclaimer or trademark pages, because
these statements cover USPS, but do no have any phrasing that specifically
includes our local squadron. Our pages take the national statements and
include our squadron name as well so we are covered locally. Now you are
telling us that we must use the national links so we can always be up to
date on any changes, but won't offer the option of notifying us when changes
are made. We should use the new Americas Boating Club graphic, but you don't
send it attached to the email, or even offer a link where we can download a
good version of it. Is
sharing information that hard? If you want webmasters to update with new
information or graphics, PROVIDE IT!
Glen Sherman
Peconic Bay Power Squadron
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community service, fun and friendshipfor boaters in the Peconic Bay, Long
Island, New York area.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 00:40:14 EDT
From: WMMILLER at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Webmaster_forum] 2007 Web Rules
To: webmaster at pbps.us
Cc: webmaster_forum at usps.org
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Not sure who this should be addressed to, Jeff or Glen, so will make it a
blanket response. The webawards program is provided to stimulate activity
in
the developement of websites. It is not a mandatory program and if the
local
webmaster does not care to participate they need to do nothing. A group of
volunteers visit all websites that have an active link to the list of
squadrons
on the USPS website on Sept 1. Some webmasters have elected to do their
own
thing and may or may not be recognized for their efforts at the end of the
evaluation period. All scores are posted just in case someone is
interested
in how they did. No listing is made showing all scores for those who did
not
meet the basic requirements. So if you dont care for the program forget
it.
The changes this year are being made to simplfy some of the more mundane
items such as the disclaimer, privacy and trademark links. If you really
care
what they say it is an easy matter to click on the link of interest and
read
the latest. Most people do not care and leave those details up to someone
else who has the responsibility to assure the wording is the latest for the
changing times. The problem reach a point where the trademark statements
being
used by some websites totally missed the point. Thus the decision to make
the
link the defacto standard. Most of the websites follow this procedure.
The suggestion that a page of logos and graphics be provided is a great one
and it is being developed and should be available within a week or so. All
webmasters subscribed to the USPS-webmasters mail list and ITContacts of
record
at USPS will be advised when and where it is available.
Jeff, it is easy to be critical of the volunteers who have spent endless
hours trying to improve the status of the websites that represent USPS. If
you
feel you can do better please complete the USPS resume form at
_http://www.usps.org/national/comnom/resume.htm_
(http://www.usps.org/national/comnom/resume.htm) We would be happy to
have someone with your capabilities helping us
with these programs. Get involved with more than a " I am one of the most
vocal opponents" of the program.
Hope this adequately explains the situation.
Bill Miller
Web Site Coordinator, USPS
In a message dated 5/16/2007 11:35:04 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
pbpsus at excite.com writes:
I am fowarding this to the forum so everyone can read it.
Glen
--- On Wed 05/16, Jeffrey.Wise < Jeffrey.Wise at comcast.net > wrote:
From: Jeffrey.Wise [mailto: Jeffrey.Wise at comcast.net]
To: webmaster at pbps.us
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:03:40 -0400
Subject: RE: [Webmaster_forum] 2007 Web Rules
Well said, Glen. I share your frustration with the national ITCom,
especially as it relates to our web sites. They seem much more interested
in enforcing
their own rules and objectives than in helping squadron and district
webmasters. My squadron and district sites consistently win Website awards,
but I
am one of the most vocal opponents of the award program because it does
more
to drive volunteer webmasters always than it does to encourage/help them.
We've now lost three because of their irritation with the program. Until
the
powers-to-be in the ITCom change, I don't have much optimism for any
positive
change.
P/C Jeff Wise, N
Atlanta and D-17 webmaster
-----Original Message-----
From: webmaster_forum-bounces at usps.org
[mailto:webmaster_forum-bounces at usps.org] On Behalf Of Glen Sherman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:53 AM
To: jeff at usps-atlanta.org
Cc: two way communication for webmasters
Subject: [Webmaster_forum] 2007 Web Rules
If we have a group email for webmasters, why can't ITCom send out new
graphics that should be used, the new VSC sticker when it is available,
changes to
trademark, disclaimer or privacy statements when they are updated and more?
We have a way to share information, but we never share any, just
instructions
about what webmasters should include without resources. I do not link to
the national privacy, disclaimer or trademark pages, because these
statements
cover USPS, but do no have any phrasing that specifically includes our
local
squadron. Our pages take the national statements and include our squadron
name
as well so we are covered locally. Now you are telling us that we must use
the national links so we can always be up to date on any changes, but won't
offer the option of notifying us when changes are made. We should use the
new
Americas Boating Club graphic, but you don't send it attached to the email,
or even offer a link where we can download a good version of it. Is
sharing
information that hard? If you want webmasters to update with new
information
or graphics, PROVIDE IT!
Glen Sherman
Peconic Bay Power Squadron
_www.PBPS.us_ (http://www.pbps.us/)
Peconic Bay Power Squadron
www.pbps.us
Continuing education, community service, fun and friendship
for boaters in the Peconic Bay, Long Island, New York area.
____________________________________
Join Excite! - _http://www.excite.com_ (http://www.excite.com/)
The most personalized portal on the Web!
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